I dare call it treason (SLAMMING LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS BUT GOOD) (Ann Coulter)

World Net Daily ^ | 6/25/2003 | Ann Coulter

[JoeSchem]

I am not enamoured of Starr, but did you read any of the Starr report? It was not all about Monica as you have been led to believe.

I'm really amazed at you guys and how you divert with differences that don't matter. Yes, the report wasn't all about Monica, but it was all about sex. Not a whiff about treason, and selling missile technology to China in exchange for campaign donations from Loral. Not a whiff.

And don't you think that's a shame? Don't you think there's something fishy about that? Don't you think that was flat out wrong?

Let's not split hairs. Starr had an opportunity to run Clinton out of town with bona fide treason charges, and instead he took the Just About Sex route, like he was getting instructions from James Carville on how to throw the fight.

[HISSKGB]

Clinton should have been nailed for those things too. But I would like to ask why we should ignore the fact that this pretend public servant is having illicit sex in the oval office of the White House.

Clinton's defenders believe he is so great. Is he a roll model for young people?

[JoeSchem]

Clinton should have been nailed for those things too. But I would like to ask why we should ignore the fact that this pretend public servant is having illicit sex in the oval office of the White House.

Now we've gone from splitting hairs to false dichotomies. No, I didn't say, "Let's ignore the sex." I said, "Let's not ignore the treason."

Now, does anyone else have any more arcane justifications for why Ken Starr didn't mention treason in his book?

[HISSKGB]

You make an interesting point here.

[HISSKGB]

I almost missed that Spartacus accusation at McCarthy. Thanks for pointing in out.

Spartacus and its anonymous writers pile it on regarding McCarthy saying he was unsuccessful enough as a beginning lawyer so he had to supplement his income by playing poker. Spartacus also stated the Las Vegas people believed McCarthy was a secret homosexual.

The credibility of Spartacus should be challenged because it relies on so many undocumented and anonymous attacks against those who dare to fight against communist espionage.

[DPB101]

Now, does anyone else have any more arcane justifications for why Ken Starr didn't mention treason in his book?

He didn't investigate it is the reason I guess. Eric Holder and Reno were very careful about where they let Starr look around. "Career civil servants at the DOJ" were handling the China charges. They ended up pleading everyone out.

[MEG33]

I believe he could only investigate as directed by Janet Reno? It started with Whitewater and evolved.

[HISSKGB]

Yours is an even more cogent point. One could hardly imagine that Starr would have been granted carte blanche to investigate anything he wanted. Before criticizing the narrowness of his investigation, we should first find out the limitations that were placed of his endeavors.

DPB: I looked to see who Eric Holder was. His chief claim to fame was the raid in Florida to capture the little boy named Elian. When this child was shipped to Castro's Cuba I wondered what was the ACLU's position because they fought in the 1980s to keep a twelve year old here rather than send him to his parents in Russia. The ACLU was too busy fighting for gay marriages and against partial birth abortions to protect Elian from being sent to Castro.

[DPB101]

Eric Holder was the Attorney General after Webster Hubbell was forced out. Reno was always the front.

[MEG33]

I just found another source for the HUAC/McCarthy/Hollywood lie.It is at the Getty education site.There's no way these people are lacking in ability to access proper information.Dorothea Lange curriculum,education at the Getty(.for teachers no less!)

[DPB101]

Lol...addictive, isn't it?

It gets worse, grasshopper. I am sure you have seen the untouchable archives. Those voluminous and extensive caves of data which have titles as juicy and sweet as the best fruit on the vine but which have not been put on the internet.

[MEG33]

How does one get institutions to correct their facts?I am not talking about the World Workers socialist site..I am talkng about institutions like the NYT at the one level .... museums and usually respected ,trusted education sites on another.I am a hopeless optimist,I know!Perhaps this one thread has informed 100 lurkers..a start!

[nopardons]

Desi Arnez was never a memeber of the Communist Party. Lucille Ball was, as a teen/young adult ( I don't remember her exact age at joining ) made to join by her step father and later repudiated it . McCarthy had absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with HUAC, Lucille Ball, and most assuredly nothing, nada, zilch, zip, zero to do with Desi !

[MEG33]

Bump

[whereasandsoforth]

It was Lucile Ball's grandfather, Fred Hunt, that got Lucille involved with the communist party. Desi's book covers that period about his ex-wife. I thought it was a good example of the era and what those close to the action went through. Of course, the only thing Red about Lucy was her hair. Even that wasn't real! (I borrowed that from Desi)

[nopardons]

Her grandfather ? Oh, sorry ... I recalled incorrectly.

OTOH, the movie starts and writers, called before HUAC, were mostly guilty of far more than a youthful fling with Communism.

Lucille Ball was a natural blonde ...I thought everyone knew that. LOL

[AndyTheBear]

Let's not split hairs. Starr had an opportunity to run Clinton out of town with bona fide treason charges, and instead he took the Just About Sex route, like he was getting instructions from James Carville on how to throw the fight.

As I understood it Starr was an empolyee working under the direction of Janet Reno who was investigating the white water when he stumbled into some sex related perjury by accident--which Reno's justice department gave him the thumbs up to pursue. It seems like he would have needed Reno's approval to look into the more serious stuff.

[sakic]

An interesting fact is that JFK's father, Joe P. Kennedy, Ambassador to the Court of St. James, the one that Winston Churchill dismissed and sent back to FDR, was an avid supporter of Joe McCarthy, including him in Kennedy Family Events and arranging for Bobby Kennedy (RFK) to be on McCarthy's legal staff. Even though Joe P. Kennedy was a vocal supporter of Hitler, he hated Communism. ?...rto

Am I supposed to be surprised that Joe Kennedy, a scumbag extaordinaire, was an avid supporter of McCarthy?

[Sans-Culotte]

Yeah, I was not claiming McCarthy investigated Hollywood, and did not mention him by name in my post. I was alluding to the fact that most people hear of the "communist witch hunts" from "documentaries" on the HUAC hearings, or of some movie star or other who was "persecuted for his/her beliefs" without being told that the beliefs were soviet communism.

[visitor]

no, just wondering why it's never mentioned in conjunction with McCarthy ?...rto