Bush's Hispanic strategy comes unraveled. (A Look Back on the Failed History of Hispandering)

The National Review ^ | April 8, 2002 | John O’Sullivan

[doc]

You obviously do not live in California. Should the republican party try and outspend the democratic party when it comes to social services?

[Diddle E. Squat]

You are correct, I live in Texas, and I have parents in Houston who have seen their neighborhood(where I grew up) go from all-white to majority Hispanic.

Try again.

[wardaddy]

He and Rove think broken glass will be replaced by the moderate shift in his wartime popularity.

I like him but I find myself having to do lots of "splaining".....in the end ...it makes me wonder if we'll ever get a true rightist in my lifetime.

i have my doubts..

it is true...very true...the alternative to W is downright abysmal.

we are a very stupid and ill informed nation and are becoming more so...it's simply bleak.

[hungryjake]

Just another case of Bush putting pandering for votes above the conservative values he pretends to have. Is there no hope of a REAL conservative candidate for 2004?

[DoughtyOne]

Ditto.

[DoughtyOne]

I doubt it. If one came along they'd call him a Jew hater, a racist, the next Hitler, a demague, an ignorant SOB, fill in the blank. The same folks that think we were saved in 2000 would act the same way they did in 2000.

[Paul Ross]

[Paul Ross]

In short, it is survival time, for those of us who believe in the message of the Conservative wing of the Republican Party.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

bump

[Jennikins]

Blacks, Asians and whites do not multiply as rapidly as the Mexicans. We will eventually be outnumbered. As for your tag line with Jeb for VP, I think we've had enough of the Bush Dynasty, as well as the Clinton one. Time for major changes.

[BillyBoy]

>> Immigration however will be the death of the Republican party unless they change Immigration policy <<

Here's the START of the GOP's current stance on immigration:

" The Constitution of the United States is a supreme law, and not a mere contract. Out of confederated States it made a sovereign nation...Since the authority to regulate immigration and intercourse between the United States and foreign nations rests with the Congress of the United States and the treaty-making power, the Republican party regarding the unrestricted immigration...as a matter of grave concernment under the exercise of both these powers, would limit and restrict that immigration by the enactment of such just, humane and reasonable laws and treaties as will produce that result."
-- Republican Party Platform, 1880

That position lead to massive changes in this country' immigration policy and a crackdown on criminals and anarchists in our nation, especially in the 1920s. It also lead to decades of Republican Party VICTORIES, since the position reflected (and still does) the vast majority of the public's views on immigration.

It will be changed over my dead body.

[GOP_1900AD]

Let's burn down the big tent and get real.

[comebacknewt]

The problem with these types of analyses is that they are static. They assume what is true today will continue to be true tomorrow. This is almost surely not a valid assumption.

I tend to agree that the majority of Hispanics will vote for the RATS for the forseeable future. However, if Hispanics and Blacks truly begin to dominate the RAT party, look for fallout elsewhere. For example, liberal white women are likely to be less than thrilled with their agenda. They may move on to a more suitable home in the Green Party. Homosexuals may do the same.

Another possibility is that Republicans may well pick off some members of organized labor which tend to be conservative on social issues and may pick off a fair number of these new Hispanics as well.

As such, I can't buy into the doom and gloom about the impending death of conservatism and the Republican party just yet. These things almost never work out the way the so-called experts predict.

[mthom]

I agree. The GOP should eliminate the last vestiges of its own racism. How it would effect the voting patterns of certain groups neither you or I can say. The GOP is trying with hispanics and is unsurprisingly ignoring blacks yet again. I have to say that trying so hard with a group that just got here while ignoring a group of people who are at the very root of the American experience makes me more than a little angry.

In short yes the GOP should "give it shot" in talking to hispanics. You seem to imply that part of talking to hispanics is acquiescing to what is now the largest immigration wave in the history of our country (done largely illegaly). I reject the notion that opposition to that is racist. Liberal immigration for all. No massive preference, much less the large one they already have, for mexicans and hispanics.

[mthom]

Lol I dont know if I totally buy the doom and gloom of the article either but your "sunnier" scenario is worse! A Dem party of a similar size, a growing green party, and a GOP that absorbs large elements of organized labor? That WOULD be doomsday.

[WatchingInAmazement]

This thread showed up in the current articles when I searched “aliens” for some unknown reason.

I found your responses fascinating. Even more fascinating is that for at least 21/2 years you all have been fighting the good fight here, facing the very same open border, Bush policy at any cost, posters. Thank you for your dedication. I’m sure it was often unpleasant.

How many millions more have come in that 2 1/2 years?

It seems to me the guest worker crowd has demanded and gotten their guest workers in that time. They’ve had their turn at sacrificing us all for their leisure and profit. Millions have come while they’ve stalled, lied and aligned themselves with the enemy within.

Build the Fence!


Post #132,( Unfortunately, the GOP Platform no long comes near.)


Here's the START of the GOP's current stance on immigration:

" The Constitution of the United States is a supreme law, and not a mere contract. Out of confederated States it made a sovereign nation...Since the authority to regulate immigration and intercourse between the United States and foreign nations rests with the Congress of the United States and the treaty-making power, the Republican party regarding the unrestricted immigration...as a matter of grave concernment under the exercise of both these powers, would limit and restrict that immigration by the enactment of such just, humane and reasonable laws and treaties as will produce that result."
-- Republican Party Platform, 1880

That position lead to massive changes in this country' immigration policy and a crackdown on criminals and anarchists in our nation, especially in the 1920s. It also lead to decades of Republican Party VICTORIES, since the position reflected (and still does) the vast majority of the public's views on immigration.

132 posted on 06/27/2003 6:13:16 PM PDT by BillyBoy

[Reaganwuzthebest]

By the looks of things the fight's just beginning.