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Missionaries Under Cover (Should Christains Convert Moslems?)
Time Magazine ^ | June 30, 2003 | David Van Biema

Posted on 06/24/2003 2:54:53 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan

Growing numbers of Evangelicals are trying to spread Christianity in Muslim lands. But is this what the world needs now?

By David Van Biema

Posted Sunday, June 22, 2003; 12:31 p.m. EST She wasn't a Muslim, but she would do for now. Last March, at just about the time American troops were massing outside Baghdad, she shuffled, dressed in a dark burqa, into a cramped schoolroom in the New York City borough of Queens. The class she was addressing was organized by the U.S. Center for World Mission and packed with eager evangelical Christian students wanting to learn how to be missionaries in a foreign country. The black-clad "Shafira" was gamely trying to explain her faith.


TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; evangelism; greatcommission; islam; missionaries; moslem
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Whaddya think?
1 posted on 06/24/2003 2:54:53 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I think it is great. The more the muslims are exposed to the doctrines of love and altruism, the more likely they are to question their own hellish doctrines of murder and hatred.
2 posted on 06/24/2003 3:00:50 PM PDT by tkathy
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Not just Muslims. Everyone:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)

People who think Christians are too "exclusive" need to take their offense to Jesus. He's the one who made the claim of exclusivity.

3 posted on 06/24/2003 3:04:02 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I was in Jordan a few years ago for an American friend's wedding to a Jordanian citizen. The bride's parents were friends with a Christian American missionary couple who came to the wedding. Chatting in a group, the missionary husband said--quite proud of himself-- "We've been missionaries for Jesus in Jordan for 12 years now." Another wedding guest looked out the window at the street filled with Muslims on their way to prayer and said, "Not doing a very good job, are you? If I were Jesus, I'd fire you." The missionary couldn't muster any response.

True story.
4 posted on 06/24/2003 3:04:10 PM PDT by Dilly
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To: Grand Old Partisan
What anyone thinks is irrelevant. Jesus commanded us to "go unto all the world, and preach the good news to every creature."

If you are a Christian, this is what we call the "Great Commission". It is not optional.

And there is a reason Muslims don't allow Christianity to be preached in their country. As Paul saw, on the road to Damascus, it is a great light. When one finds out that God loves us in spite of what we do, not because of what we do, works religions are shown for the pettiness they are.
5 posted on 06/24/2003 3:05:30 PM PDT by I still care
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To: Grand Old Partisan
(Should Christains Convert Moslems?

YES! Next question...?

6 posted on 06/24/2003 3:06:31 PM PDT by Ff--150 (100-Fold Return)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Why exchange one errant religion for another? A half truth is worse than a whole lie.

Protestant fundamentalism is a religion based upon the errors of it's founders ( a few men an women of modern times.) I'd rather see them remain muslim than be mislead by evangelical fundamentalists.



7 posted on 06/24/2003 3:42:26 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
A half truth is worse than a whole lie.

I sure would like to see that in equation form. It seems to be an example of itself, whatever that is called.

8 posted on 06/24/2003 3:47:45 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Dilly
I would have responded, "If you were Muslim in Jordan, you would have to think twice, three times before leaving the Islamic faith because you know for certain that the government will harass you and try to take your children away from you, your boss will fire you, your family will disown you and a crazy Imam would put a death sentence on you." The fact that Christianity is growing at all in Muslim countries is something of a miracle itself.
9 posted on 06/24/2003 3:54:02 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal/Jewish sage)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Depends. Do you believe in freedom?
10 posted on 06/24/2003 3:59:55 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Evangelical Fundamentalism originates in a similiar way to Islam. In both cases, Men (and women) took historic Christian Truths and added their own twist to them.

It is harder to spread the True (Historic) Christian Gospel to people who have a newer and different flavor of it. It's much easier to spread the Full Gospel to those who are very distant to it than to those who are half way there but are grossly mislead.

And, there are Christians in the area who preach the Full (Historic) Gospel as handed forth from the Apostles.
11 posted on 06/24/2003 4:03:32 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
>>And, there are Christians in the area who preach the Full (Historic) Gospel as handed forth from the Apostles.

I meant that there are already Christians in the region who can trace their faith back to the Apostles. EF are not coming in to spread the Full Gospel but rather destroy it with a half Gospel.
12 posted on 06/24/2003 4:05:19 PM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I think it was posted here.
13 posted on 06/24/2003 4:07:08 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Evangelical Fundamentalism originates in a similiar way to Islam. In both cases, Men (and women) took historic Christian Truths and added their own twist to them.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. I think you are using a strawman to make your case.

14 posted on 06/24/2003 4:08:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Thanks for the further explanation but I was simply saying your adage is not always a truism.
15 posted on 06/24/2003 4:15:54 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Tamar1973
If you have any, I'd love to read some documentation of your claim that the government of Jordan "will harass you and try to take your children away from you" if you leave the Islamic faith. Are you basing your claim on any specific cases, or just making crap up about a society you have no familiarity with?
16 posted on 06/24/2003 4:23:40 PM PDT by Dilly
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I personally know many former Muslims who have converted to Christianity. Most of them are out of Nigeria.
18 posted on 06/24/2003 4:51:54 PM PDT by AlGone2001 (If liberals must lie to advance their agenda, why is liberalism good for me?)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The first Christian church was in Mesopotamia, 33 AD. They are and were were evangelists, spreading the word east. Marco Polo found established Christian communities when he arrived in China. Back where they began, Roman style Christianity tried to convert them (there was a basic difference in a few of the details) & failing that, wiping them out. They found more freedom of religion under Islam than they had under the Roman Church, as they were protected by writ by Muhammad. Supposedly, Muhammad's agreement with them currently resides somewhere in Turkey, but it also seems to have been forgotten in more recent history. Genocide has been more in tune with the current trend.

You ask what we think... I think that if the evangelicals act like bulls in a china shop, they won't just get themselves killed, but they will get additional indigenous Christians killed. ITOH, if they work with the Christians who have survived for millenia in the nations they go into to spread the word, they might understand the cultures they are entering & end up learning more than they teach. I have no idea how sucessuful they'll be, as convoluted Christian teachings (mostly gnostic) are part of Islam & they have the whole, Muhammad is the "seal" thing to overcome. One of the captors of the missionary couple held in Indonesia quoted scripture to her, so it's not like the word is going to be new to most of those they're trying to convert. If they can pull it all off, more power to them.

Still, as someone who's been told that my Christian beliefs don't count, as I'm not "born again"... I've had faith for as long as I remember, so the whole "born again" deal escapes me... Attempted conversion through belittling someone's beliefs is not only ineffective, it's offensive & I say that from a Christian perspective.

19 posted on 06/24/2003 4:52:19 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Dilly
If you have any, I'd love to read some documentation of your claim that the government of Jordan "will harass you and try to take your children away from you" if you leave the Islamic faith. Are you basing your claim on any specific cases, or just making crap up about a society you have no familiarity with?

You are the ignorant one.

Infor courtesy of: http://www.csw.org.uk/siham.asp & http://www.cswusa.com/Petition.htm

Mrs Qandah's troubles began in 1994 after a Shari'ah (Islamic) law court declared that her husband, Hussam Jibreen, had converted to Islam before he died while serving in the UN Peacekeeping Force in Kosovo.

The court produced a conversion document to this effect, but although it bore the signatures of two witnesses there was only a scrawled "X" in the place where Hussam's signature should have been. In addition, Hussam had never mentioned his conversion to any of members of his family. He had even returned from army duty abroad to attend the baptism of his son. Hussam had a Christian funeral and was buried in the local Christian graveyard.

Under Islamic law, if a father converts to Islam, his minor children automatically become Muslims and they would only be able to receive their inheritance through a Muslim guardian.

Having been advised that under Jordanian law it would be hopeless to contest her husband's conversion certificate, Mrs Qandah decided to ask a long-estranged brother to become the children's financial guardian rather than accept a court-appointed Muslim guardian for them. However, Mrs Qandah retained legal custody of the children.

Abdullah Al Muhtadi, their Muslim uncle, converted to Islam as a teenager. Rawan and Fadi have only seen him once and have never met his wife or children.

Al Muhtadi did not forward the allotted inheritance as required. He began to object to the children's attendance at the local Roman Catholic School and demanded that they be transferred to a Muslim school and take Islamic religious instruction.

Eventually, Mrs Qandah began court proceedings to change the guardianship but in May 1998 Al-Muhtadi opened a court case requesting full custody of the children and a three year civil battle began.

On June 21 2001, the Civil Court in Irbid handed over custody of the children to Al-Muhtadi, a Muslim Imam (cleric). An appeal to the Irbid Court of Appeals upheld this ruling in January 2002.

When Mrs Qandah appealed to the Supreme Court in Amman, the case was rejected on February 28 2002.

In the weeks following, Mrs Qandah appealed to Jordan's top judicial experts and religious leaders, both Muslim and Christian, seeking a solution to her predicament. She was told that her choices were either to become a Muslim or to leave the country. However, both her children have been blacklisted on immigration computers, so she cannot take them with her.

In May 2002, the Jordanian Intelligence Service told her they would do everything they could to help her because of the international attention surrounding her case.

In August she was told that she would never be granted legal custody of her children, so she made up her mind to try to leave the country with the children.

Finally, on October 7 2002 she was ordered to present her children to be handed over to Al Muhtadi. She immediately took her children out of school and went into hiding.

Siham was notified of the Court’s decision on January 20 2003 to imprison her for 30 days until she surrenders her children. The following day, her lawyer filed an appeal against this verdict. However, Siham has felt it necessary to take the children with her into hiding again.

The Jordanian authorities have indicated on more than one occasion that it was due to the petitions they received from you and others that the court order to take away the children has not yet been enforced.

Jordanian Christian, Siham Qandah and her two children need our help. Addresses, faxes and email addresses appear at the bottom of this page.

Please would you consider helping Mrs. Qandah by petitioning the King of Jordan in the following ways:

1. Write a letter directly to the King.

2. Write to your congressperson and ask them to write to the King.

3. Write to the Jordanian Ambassador.

Please consider sending your letter by fax or email, as time is short.

Suggested Letter to the King/ Ambassador: Addresses:

His Majesty King Abdallah II

Office of His Majesty the King

Royal Palace

Amman

The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

Fax: 011 962 6 462 7421 or 011 962 6 567 7376

Salutation: Your Majesty,

Valediction: Yours respectfully and sincerely,

His Excellency Karim Kawar (Ambassador)

Embassy of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

3504 International Drive, N.W.

Washington, D.C. 20008

Phone: (202) 966-2664

Fax: (202) 966-3110

Email: HKJEmbassyDC @aol.com

Salutation: Your Excellency,

Valediction: Yours respectfully and sincerely,

20 posted on 06/24/2003 4:54:02 PM PDT by Tamar1973 ("He who is compassionate to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the compassionate." Chazal/Jewish sage)
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