Feds see ORANGE Fourth of July...

People need to see the video of the World Trade Center again if they start to feel complacent. I'm talking about the 1993 attack as well. The OBLs and mullahs' hatred of the west is not new.

It's it as likely that they were sucessfull, and attacks were prevented?

It's possible, but complacency persists...

Be vigilant or be afraid.

Indeed. The 4th this year will be like past Independance Days... Barbeque time! (and this time in my new house!)

This is the first 4th in my new house too. My Dad is coming Thursday for the first time. Now I have to buy a BBQ.....LOL!

Y A W N !

Yup. Your solution is the most intelligent snd realistic one I have ever heard on this topic. I easily laugh at the humorist posts here on FR, but I am tired of the whiners. I am tired of the whiners who post on FR, and I am especially tired of the whining telecasters who whine while asking the stupid, old question "Well, what are we -- the regular folk -- to do with an orange alert? Isn't this just going to get us -- the regular folk -- desensitized?" Good God, I can hear them now and it hasn't even happened yet. Everyone should just shut the hell up and be watchful; that's all it takes and that's all it is meant to accomplish, plain and simple. Mo1 -- if only everyone had the right idea like you do!

We have two choices: Be vigilant or be afraid.

The answer is be vigilant. The chicken-little crowd will hide in their houses worried about the terrorists, and I say let `em hide, just means more BBQ for the rest of us :-)

I carry a Leupold-scoped AR-10, with 6 20rnd mags, a Class III AR-15x (silenced, Eotech red dot sight etc) with 6 30rnd mags, and a daily CCW-carry Kimber 1911 .45cal ACP with 3 mags, every day in my '02 Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Overkill? Not if TSHTF, it isn't. As soon as I can get my gunsafe installed, that'll pare down the weapons somewhat.

Here's the line-up:

Glock 32/ .357sig w/ Docter red dot
Kimber Eclipse Target II 1911 .45cal ACP 5"
Eagle Arms AR-15 (pre-ban 2.5" barrel) w/ M4-2000 Silencer & Eotech 551
Alexander Arms Beowulf .50cal AR15/M16-style w/ Eotech 551
Armalite AR-10 A4 Carbine w/ Leupold Mk4 CQ/T
Bushmaster AR-15 A3 Carbine w/ Trijicon ACOG TA01
Remington 870 Express HD Tactical 12ga w/ Eotech 551
Colt Trooper MkIII .357 Magnum 6" - unscoped!
Lifer: BSA/ Eagle Scout '63
5yr Member: NRA & GOA

I'm fond of the EOtech xx2 D2 models... uses AA batteries
and a run time of many hundreds of minutes and in a SHTF situation
there isn't gonna be abundance of N size batteries hanging around...

...for the same reason 5.56 and 7.62 are good choices.

you best be getting a good sized safe... those handguns can
get lonely :o)

They have very solid intelligence that a large quantity of explosives are being planned to detonate at a wide variety of locations across the nation that evening. . .

LOL!

It's not just crying wolf.. remember security is boosted during Orange.. which is called a.. now say it with me... a "precaution". Better to be safe than sorry. Besides we all know Arizona is going to get hit next since they have already said they will ignore federal warnings.

You Might Be A Gun Nut If...

MOVIES

~you can't remember the plot of the last movie you saw, but you can name the
model, caliber and finish of every firearm in the movie.

~you reflexively count the number of shots fired by every weapon in the film,
then gripe to your friends when the actors exceed the magazine capacities.

~you watch old WWII movies and can identify and look at all the rifles and
handguns but can't remember who stared in the movie or what it was about..

~if, when you watch a WWII movie, you have to get out th' old Garand and 1911
and help John Wayne shoot the Japs and Krauts. Even when he's in the Navy.

~if, while helping John, you've ever actually shot the TV. ("Is this thing loaded?")

~you see pictures of war on T.V. and all you can think about is that you want to
be there so you can pick up the BRASS.

~it bothers you more when 007 runs out of ammo than when the BOND girl dies.

~you watch La Femme Nikita just to see the HK MP5s.

~your only criteria for renting a video is what guns it might have in it.

~while watching the movie "Terminator 2" you have to leave the room in tears
and mornful sobs after Arnold Swartzenneger throws the CAR-16 off the moving
tractor trailer and it goes bouncing away~.

~everytime you see the finale of the Sam Peckinpa movie "The Wild Bunch" you
think to yourself "what a waste of brass!".

~your friends refuse to see ANY films containing firearms with you.

WIFE/FAMILY

~when you met your wife's parents for the 1st time you arrived at their house
riding a motorcycle and wearing a S&W DA/Auto on your hip.

~you and your new father-in-law go to a gun show on your wedding day.

~your wife's bridal registry was at the local gun shop.

~you have spent more on guns in the last 6 months than you did on your wifes
engagement ring.

~your fiance didn't want a ring, she wanted an M1 carbine. And, you bought her
one.

~you use a lathe to turn a nice ring from the appropriate size case. You engrave
it with a few hearts and then nickel plate it and add gold inlay. She'll love you
for having the "personal" touch, being careful with the family money, and from
knowing you'll be able to keep her guns in tiptop shape.

~have traded the wife's wedding ring for a shotgun, and she let you.

~you take your wife on vacation to a gun show for your 10th Anniversary and she
is as excited to go as you are.

~you let your wife go out and blow all kinds of money on junk she'll never use
just so she won't gripe when you buy that latest piece you really need for your
collection.

~your mother-in-law asks what new gun junk you want for Christmas this year.

~you remember important family dates based on when you purchased a firearm.

~you build a gun rack in your bedroom and it's closer to you than your wife.

~your wife tells you that you can't subscribe to any more gun magazines until
you do something with all the old ones you're keeping.

~you have Trijicon Night-lights in your bedroom.

~your teenage daughter's next date is introduced to you while your sitting at the
loading bench cleaning your M-1.

~if half the guests at your daughter's wedding are shooters and their wives or
husbands had fun talking.

~your wife wants to wear black leather so you buy her a carry holster.

~your gun safe cost more then your dining room set.

~you get rid of the microwave to make room for the brass tumbler.

~you or your wife do the wash, several spent casings fall out of your rolled-up
sleves.

~it is very common in your household to step on BBs, spent and live primers, and
the occassional .22 rimfire with bare feet.

~your wife often vacuums-up live primers you dropped in the carpert.

~you both enjoy the excitement when she does vacuum.

~you find some live primers laying in the driveway.

~when daughter was growing up hand her boyfriends a 45-70 round and tell
them you have lots more where that came from.

~you introduce yourself to your daughter's suitors as "a very good shot" and you
have a copy of Guns And Ammo in one hand and are wearing your NRA Life
Member hat. A holstered large pistol on your belt is optional.

~after being introduced to the new boyfriend you quote from "Clueless" by
saying: "Young man, I own a .45 and a shovel...don't make me have to use either
one."

~your wife/girlfriend starts using Hoppes No. 9 instead of perfume to get your
attention.

~your wife/girlfrind thinks that aura of Hoppies #9 is your favorite after shave.

~you use Hoppes No. 9 as a room or carpet freshener.

~you are asked by a waitress what cologne you are wearing. You just got done
cleaning your guns.

~you think a shotgun wedding is what happens when a fellow gets overly fond of
his 12 gauge.

~you consider naming your unborn child Winchester.

~you name your first-born boy MAK90.

~you name your first-born girl Tenifer.

~your kid's huggies come in camo battlepacks.

~your wife threatened to leave you after finding 400 muddy shotshells soaking in
the bathtub for the tenth time.

~you find out that the dishwasher does a MUCH better job but your wife
threatens to leave you because she is tired of fishing em out from under the
heating elements.

~you go to a marriage counselor, he asks you which you like better, shooting or
sex, and you think it's the stupidest question you've ever heard.

GUN SHOP/GUN SHOW

~you buy a gun at a shop only to find out you used to own it a couple of years
ago.

~the largest gun store in your area *calls* you if they need something they can't
get elsewhere.

~when buying a new gun, you plead with your gun shop to keep it until you have
space for it.

~you've ever sent a scope (that was never dropped) back to Leupold for repair.

~factories ask *you* how well their guns hold up.

~Hornady's largest midwestern distributor informs you that you've bought over
half of all the Vector ammo they've ever had in stock.

~your standard Sunday-afternoon question to guys selling surplus ammo at gun
shows is "How much for all of it, so you don't have to lug it home?"

~you shoot enough Berdan-primed ammo that you are on a first-name basis with
your local scrap metal dealer.

~you are on a first-name basis with every major tire shop owner within a
25-mile radius. (lead source)

~upon seeing your 1978 wildcatting project (a .375 on a .50 Sharps 3 1/4" case,
3340 FPS with a 300 Sierra boattail), Elmer Keith says "You're nuts!"

~Keith Francis (at JGS, the chambering reamer company), answers your phone
calls "What have you dreamed up *this* time?"

~you own a firearm listed in the Guinness book.

OTHER

~you put a Hogue Grip on your car's parking brake

~you have a magazine loader on your key ring.

~you use a .32-20 casing for a pen cap.

~your key-ring fob is a converted .50BMG cartridge.

~your collection of AR back issues, Gun digests and reloading manuals cost you a
premium the last time you moved. (or maybe that is a sign that you are an OLD
gun nut!)

~Peter Alan Kasler owes you a lunch because you caught him out on an obscure
fine point of firearms law, you just might be ...

~every time one of your friends goes to buy a new gun they check with you first,
since you've probably had one already, and because they know you have ammo
and gun parts sitting around for guns you no longer own.

~spend 3 days going through the SGN looking through ALL the ads to get the
COMPLETE kit for a weapon and then order through the 30 or so mail order
companies that are needed for this and then build it. Just because you can.

~you slip and almost fall out the second story bathroom window because of the
Guns & Ammo you left in front of the throne.

~if you get a flat and realize that you've got 400 pounds of shot, a Hefty bag
each of wads and empty hulls, and enough primers to re-open the main shaft of
the Lost Dutchman on top of your spare tire.

~if the Bible you read every night before bed is the Shooter's Bible.

~you take your guns out of the safe each night and handle them, just so you can
wipe them off before putting them away.

~you keep a loaded gun hidden in every room in the house, including the
bathroom and kitchen, "just in case", and then keep one on you at all times just
in case someone breaks in while you're in the hallway.

~you named your pocket pistol "Little Guy" and your 12 guage "Big Jake."

~you wash your hands BEFORE taking a dump so you can take a piece of your
collection in with you and not get salty sweat on the blue.

~you make $15 per hour at work, but spend 30 minutes on your knees at the
range looking for that last piece of 40 S&W brass.

~you have to decide the difference between a gun nut and a firearms enthusiast?
Is it 1,000 rounds per day or week?

~you read that "Brady II" would outlaw possession of more than 1,000 rounds of
ammunition and think "I have more than that rolling around loose in the trunk of
my car!", you just might be a gun nut.

~you could identify on sight all rifle bolt-faces as in - "that's a Ruger, that's a
Savage, that's a WInchester .."

~you can identify gunshots from faraway as to caliber, whether from a rifle or
pistol, brand of gun, grains of powder used, *what* powder and at what speed!
Then you realize you can tell if it is blued or stainless.

~you work for the military and have more shooting experience than the guys in
uniform you work with.

~when you go to the magazine rack, you check the Guns and Ammo cover to see
if there are new guns as compared to checking the Playboy cover to see what it
is offering.

~you have a callus on your shoulder.

~you're in the army reserves, and they can't figure out why every time they send
you out to shoot the M60 with 100 rounds, you return with a shot-out barrel. It
never dawns on them you're bringing your own ammo.

~you spend more time choosing which guns to bring with you on a trip, as well
as holsters, and belts, than it does to pick out the clothes you will wear.

~you approach total strangers and ask if they're going to keep their brass, you
just might be a gun nut.

~friends and family ask what you want for Christmas "Other than gun stuff."

~you've ever run out of film photographing your guns for insurance purposes.

~you've ever photographed your entire gun collection, but "insurance purposes"
never entered your mind.

~you try taking one big 'family photo' of your gun collection, but just can't fit
them all in one frame.

~you have Brownells on speed dial.

~you hand crafted a base pad for your Hogue monogrip out of a hockey puck.

~if you install a speed dialing device on your gun safe~.

~you own a BAYONET for a gun you haven't bought yet.

~you buy some checkering tools, checker all your gunstocks, and then start in on
the bedposts~

~you practiced on the bedposts first before you did the guns.

~the custom door lock pulls on your Jeep are .223 Rem cases and the gear shift
knob is a .50 BMG.

~you have guns in your safe that you can't for the life of you remember how you
came by.

~you consider it a point of honor to only buy factory ammo if you need the brass.

~when you hear or see the numbers 221 you automatically think "fireball", 257
you think "Roberts", 218 "Bee", 4570 "government" etc., etc. and can't stop.

~your pickup is subject to search at any given time because, in your state,
empty cartridge cases rolling around the floor are considered probable cause.

~years in history are inextricably linked to firearms development in your head.
1860... 1903... 1911... 1921... 1941... 1957... etc.

~your telephone number is: 223-2250 or 308-3006 or 303-3040 or some other
combination of three + four digit calibers.

~you think there is some special significance when you glance at a clock and it
shows 3:08, 3:57, 2:23, etc., no matter how many times you see it.

~when you hear "Winchester Catherdral", you think of the "church of shooting".

~you use a spot on the windshield as a targeting sight on that idiotic driver in
front of you.

~you start wondering if you should spread out your ammo boxes to more evenly
distribute the weight on the floor.

~you start eyeing the floor space around your gun vault wondering if you could
fit another one there along side it.

~you even had the thought " I wonder what scale that little kids Animal Crackers
are, compared to Regulation shilouttes?"

~you buy a Remington 700 BDL Varmint in .308 just to get a supply of 308 cases
to make brass for your .44 Auto Mag.

~you carry pictures of all your guns with you at all times in order to show off
your "babies".

~you spend more on ammo each month than on food.

~your guns are worth twice as much as your car.

~even one of your guns is worth more than your car.

~you list your local FFL dealer as a dependent on your tax return.

~a topless joint with free admission is half a mile away, and instead you drive 40
miles to the shooting range on a Saturday night.

~you alternate silvertips and hydra-shocks in your magazines because they look
prettier that way.

~you guess range and windage whenever you look at road signs.

~your driver's license says "must wear night-vision goggles"

~"Miller Time" means plinking at beer cans.

~the highlight of your week is discovering that 6 .40SW hollowpoints fit
perfectly in a plastic 35mm film canister. (5 up/1 down in the middle).

~you retrofit a laser sight to your TV remote control.

~your favorite NBA team is the Boston KelTecs.

~your mailbox has a Weaver Rail on top.

~you can't figure out why your non-shooting friends laugh when you say
"Bushmaster".

~you drive 300 miles just to ogle (and fire) HK-MP5s (and Stens, Uzis, BMGs and
whatever else shows up at Knob Creek)

~you go to three different gun shows within a month and your excited every
single time.

~you're guns are cleaner than your house/apartment.

~you have 5 different guns being DROS'd at 3 different FFL dealers.

~4 local gun shops know you by name.

~you're friends with 90%-100% of the employee's at every one of those shops.

~when you stop in, they ask you questions like "how was work?", "how's the wife
and kids", "we're gonna order some food, ya want in?", etc.

~you can wallpaper your house with old issues of Shotgun News, Gun List, Guns
& Ammo, etc...

~you're a computer specialist and you have more issues of Shotgun News and
Gun List than MacWeek and PCWeek.

~you bought 7 or more AK-47's just so you could have different ones from
different countries (Bulgarian, Romanian, Russian, Yugoslavian, Egyptian,
Chinese, etc.)

~you're phone number, license plate, extension at work, etc. relates to some
kind of bullet caliber...ON PURPOSE.

~you have framed targets hanging in your bathroom, hallway, etc. with tight
groups that you have shot.

~you can read the same issue of SGN/GL/etc. everyday until a new issues comes
out.

~you own enough guns to arm everyone on your block.

~you own 4 AR-15's configured EXACTLY the same but by different manufactures
(Colt, Bushmaster, Olympic Arms, Armalite, etc.) just because you can.

~the last 5 guns you bought are never to be fired.

~you'd rather have a $10,000 PSG-1 and drive a $600 car rather than drive a
$10,000 car and have a $600 gun.

~you preach how stupid gun laws/bans are at work when you work in a
predominatly ANTI-gun company.

~you rather ban alcohol than hi-cap clips/mags.

~you actually consider buying the camo sexy underwear advertised for your
sweetie in some gun catalogs.

~you learn that in the house your buying someone committed suicide using a
firearm and all your interested in is the make, model, caliber and condition of
the firearm that was used.

~your kids, once in said house, determine that the broken window was a result
of that firearms slug after it left the skull cavity of the victim, and they
understand why you bought the house.

~your brothers-in-law only come to visit so they can shoot your guns.

~your gun dealer owes you $500 bucks rather than the other way around.

~you consider concealed carry every time you shop for clothes.

~you take a dolly or hand truck with you to gun shows.

~you buy a gun safe much larger than you think you'll ever need and still fill it
up.

~you need yet another safe for all of the ammunition.

~you have to structurally reinforce your house due to this hobby.

~you buy a .25 Beretta to keep inside your Bible cover. Everybody needs a
"hideout church gun".

~your drive to work is filled with reverie about why Ed's Red actually works.

~when you talk about the best piece you ever had, if you mean a pistol.

~you get real good at drywalling your gun room once a year.

~you spend more on the gun accessories than the gun.

~you know the cyclic rate of a 1928 over-stamp Thompson.

~you spent hours trying to design a device that hands you bullets the right side
up.

~you identify the gun on the cover of Dillon's "Blue Press" before you ever notice
the girl.

~the first thing you notice is that she is actually holding the gun correctly.

~your license plate reads: "DBL TAP"

~your license plate reads: "GUN NUT" and the wife's car had "GUN NUT2".

~you have these plates and the Sheriff stops you to ask about finding a part or to
sell you a used gun.

~you are Canadian and have the audacity to own a gun.

~you spend more than the cost of a new Glock to travel to the GSSF/Glock
matches on the chance that you might win one as well as to shoot at someplace
new and different.

~you never miss Monday Night Football because it is reloading night. That's
because you went through a whole week's ammo the day before, while everyone
else was home watching the regular Sunday games.

~you bought a barrel of Garand clips for the Garand your going to buy.

~you bought a mauser 98 barrel and are now looking for an action to which it
can be fitted.

~you find a set of 8x57 dies and 3 boxes of brass for a good price and then spend
$200 on a Persian Mauser and $99 on a Hakim to shoot the 8x57 reloads with.

~you carry a brush gun like a .35 Remington for close range shots and a .25/06
slung across your back for those long range shots when you have plenty of time.

~you have a Ruger M-77 in 7mm-08 because you had an excess 3X9 by 40 scope.

~you buy a used holster at a show for $5.00, and then spend a few hundred on a
gun that fits it.

~you look in your dealer's used gun case and most of them once belonged to you.

~and you start buying them back.

~take your gun parts to work to do your customizing even though it may get you
in trouble.

~you've ever conducted dry-fire practice while riding the porcelain ponny.

~if your local dealer comes to your house to shoot rather than the local range.

~if you collect empty cartridges that you can't use on the off hand chance that
you might some day be able to trade them for something that you can use.

~you buy a set of grips for a pistol that you hope to get in the future.

~the dealer knows what you collect and calls you whenever he gets something
new in (a Mk IV .455 Webley or anything Brittish).

~you call a friend long-distance just to discuss if a 3 gr. varience in cast bullets
will effect accuracy.

~you were the only kid in the 8th grade who know how to field strip an MP40.

~you spend more time at the range on your knees in the bushes looking for
corroded .25 ACP cases than shooting?

~you pick up even such useless items as .22 rimfire and steel Berdan primed
military cases.

~you know they used those spent .22 cases for guilding material in swaged
bullets during WWII.

~you stand next to shooters with semi-automatic firearms with a cardboard box,
hoping to catch a few ejected empties.

~you concentrate more on where your .45 ACP cases are landing than on the
target.

~you can concentrate on the target because your wife and/or kids chase the
brass for you.

~you wander about in front of the firing line in search of that elusive 30/06 case
even when others are firing.

~you make trips to the local range on cold, wet days just to search for a few old
semi-crushed .38 Specials.

~you worry if you lose just ONE empty when shooting?

~you have cases in your pockets, car, bedroom, kitchen, office and garage at all
times.

~your basement looks like an ammo dump.

~you scrounged brass before you ever owned a gun.

~your favorite euphemism for sex is "concealing the weapon," you just might be
a gun nut.

I saw this and thought I'd share it with ya'll......Stay Safe !

~ you have direct deposit at the local gun store.

~ your wife doesn't mind if you buy another gun, as long as you get her one too.

~ you don't know how much detergent to put in the washing machine or dishwasher, but know exactly how many grains of W231 for any caliber's perfect range load.

~ you read Squanto's post above and nodded your head or laughed out loud more than 20 times

great post, Squantos. thanks.

~after outfitting a Glock 27 with all the options possible your wife walks up to the counter, looks at the gun, frowns and says......better make it two.

(Really happened!)

~the largest gun store in your area *calls* you if they need something they can't get elsewhere. - Really like this one!

Thanks Squantos, stay safe and stay armed! I'm off to jury duty.

Eaker

"while watching the movie "Terminator 2" you have to leave the room in tears and mornful sobs after Arnold Swartzenneger throws the CAR-16 off the moving tractor trailer and it goes bouncing away"

Well, as we all know, it was a CAR-15, but yes, I was somewhat distraught when this happened. Of course, I REALLY cried in the first Terminator movie, when towards the end Arnie is on a motorcycle, chasing the protagonists, and drops an AR-180 on the street at 80+ when it runs dry. Ouch! $;-)

Un fair I am not a gun nut even though according to this I qualify on many counts. I am a firearms enthusiast

~you drive 300 miles just to ogle (and fire) HK-MP5s (and Stens, Uzis, BMGs and whatever else shows up at Knob Creek)

What about if I happen to live within 20 miles of Knob Creek? Or schedule Ft Knox training events around their semi-annual machine gun shoots? I also have a 25mm, .50 BMG and 7.62 dummy rounds on my desk that I use for conversation pieces. The 105mm and 120mm inert rounds are just down the hall.

"~ you read Squanto's post above and nodded your head or laughed out loud more than 20 times"

Uh, oh!
You got me!

I've noticed that when I walk into Fountain Firearms nowdays they all holler, "Hey, El Roy! You want a Coke or a cup of coffee?" while running to get out the latest pistol or rifle and lay it on the counter for my perusal.
They always pull out that item that I "mentioned" the last time I was in........and usually sell it to me!

They have my credit card number on file so they don't have to bother me with stamping my card.

American Express informed me that I'm being investigated by the ATF as a possible gun runner.

I special order my Hoppe's in the five gallon economy size.

I own fifteen "T" shirts cut into the proper size for emergency patches.

For air fresheners in the house and truck I leave several bottles of Hoppe's open.

I flash good looking women by pulling up my shirt and showing them the Sig on my hip.

I can't plan my life past the next shoot - JULY 12th AT NEW BRAUNFELS!!

Uh, oh!
Alzheimer's setting in.......
Make that JULY 19TH!!

"condition orange... if I'm not mistaken, that means carry two extra magazines."

ROFLMAO! EXACTLY RIGHT! Or carry your backup piece. For me it means carry a .45 instead of a .40 or a 9mm. "Serious guns for serious times" is my motto. NO "mouse" guns!