Is it acceptable to marry a girl who has not yet started her menses? (Islam)

Islam Q & A ^ | 23 June 2003 | Answers supervised by Shaikh M. S. Al-Munajjid

[Calpernia]

BUMP!!!

[AppyPappy]

It's a pitiful man who cannot even admit the similarity in mindset and tactics between the two groups.

Except Fred Phelps followers didn't kill 3000 people on 9/11. Phelps is a circus clown, not a theologian.

[r9etb]

then you must need help tying your shoes and picking socks that match

Perhaps I'd take you more seriously if you paid attention to such subtleties as context.

I'm not going to get argue with you about the stupid racist crap you're tossing out -- and that's precisely what it is.

[tkathy]

This is modern day slavery.

[Rebelbase]

Im butting-in because you are making an ass out of yourself.

You told Travis: "I'm not going to get argue with you about the stupid racist crap you're tossing out "

He has not made one racist remark, re-read the thread.

Your sensibilites have watermark of having been polluted by the "dont want to face truth and hurt someones feelings crowd"...AKA Jesse Jackson, NEA, et al.

Can it. You are wrong.

[r9etb]

Except Fred Phelps followers didn't kill 3000 people on 9/11. Phelps is a circus clown, not a theologian.

Phelps is an idiot, but I also have no doubt he'd start stoning gays if he could. And if he could get 3000 at once....

Also one does not need to be Islamic to kill a bunch of people (though these days it certainly seems to be a good indicator of the willingness to do so). Most Islamic people are not a party to the terrorist acts. IMHO their culpability is pretty much the same as that of the general population of Nazi Germany.

[r9etb]

You told Travis: "I'm not going to get argue with you about the stupid racist crap you're tossing out "

He has not made one racist remark, re-read the thread.

I was responding to his post tarring hundreds of millions of Islamic people on the basis of a relatively few murderous extremists. In my book, that's racist crap.

Your sensibilites have watermark of having been polluted by the "dont want to face truth and hurt someones feelings crowd"...AKA Jesse Jackson, NEA, et al.

Maybe you should take your own advice and re-read what I posted.

[AppyPappy]

He died when she was 18.

[AppyPappy]

but I also have no doubt he'd start stoning gays if he could

He can. He can do it anytime he wants. But he doesn't.

[AppyPappy]

...hey, the Bible says to marry a woman half your age....

Still waiting for that text.....

[AppyPappy]

The Msulims follow a religion that rewards the killing of people it calls "infidels". It's a central teaching of their religion.

[r9etb]

He died when she was 18

Ah. Didn't think of that possibility. I guess I misinterpreted the passage that said "she stayed with him for 9 more years."

[AppyPappy]

He married her when he was old. His ability to deflower a very young girl at an older age is proof of his virility to many.

[r9etb]

The Msulims follow a religion that rewards the killing of people it calls "infidels". It's a central teaching of their religion.

Yup. As I said, I think it's a false religion. But it's not the only set of beliefs that produces mass murderers, and I do not think that most Muslims are anything like the nut-jobs who commit terrorist acts.

As I also said -- the general population of Islamic countries is about as culpable as the general population of Nazi Germany.

They do bear some responsibility for allowing the perpetrators of such atrocities to remain within their countries, but it's a sort of diffuse responsibility that does not justify the same sort of punishment that we'd mete out to the murderers who actually committed the acts.

[r9etb]

His ability to deflower a very young girl at an older age is proof of his virility to many.

Well, I suppose. Cultural norms, and all that -- but it's still sick in my book.

I've read someplace that the Koran has co-opted many Old Testament stories for its own purposes. Wonder if the "Child Bride" angle is one of them.

For example, the short history lesson up in #16 almost sounds like a combination of Esther and the (apocryphal) Book of Judith. In Esther, of course, the young girl marries the tyrant and thereby saves the Jews from the wiles of the evil henchman. Judith gets the tyrant drunk and cuts off his head.

[AppyPappy]

But it's not the only set of beliefs that produces mass murderers, and I do not think that most Muslims are anything like the nut-jobs who commit terrorist acts.

Nonetheless, their religion supports the killing of non-believers. It's a classic cult ala Jim Jones.

[r9etb]

Nonetheless, their religion supports the killing of non-believers. It's a classic cult ala Jim Jones.

IIRC, as "people of the Book," Christians and Jews are technically not supposed to be classified as "infidels." World history (e.g., the Muslim conquest and its consequence, the Crusades) made it convenient for the Mullahs to shift the definition to include them. And, tyrants being what they are, anything like that that keeps them in power is a Good Thing.

[weegee]

Here is this exchange from Ask The Imam (I look around there on occasion):

Second marriage possible under these conditions? i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed. What is your advise?

i am 45 and married to already 15 years now after the sexual desire of my woman has nearly gone i am looking to marry again. And i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed, my first wife told me that it could make problems if it will be a big different in age, and also some of my children are older than my second wife. What is your advise ? And is it allowed for me to have already sexual intercourse with these woman after we are married or to i have to wait till she reach at special age ?

ANSWER: According to the Shari’ah, if a girl is a minor (did not attain puberty), she may be given in marriage by her father. When she attains puberty, she has the right to maintain the marriage or discontinue the marriage. There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor.

It is important for you, in your situation, to consider the age difference reservation expressed by your wife.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

think the response you gave to the man who is 45 and wishes to marry a 12yr old is purely wrong!! That is called a pedophile

ANSWER: Our answer is based on Shari’ah principles. What is your ideology based on?

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[AppyPappy]

The girl was less of an angel and more of a example of the "vitality" of Mohammed. His ability to deflower her at a late age was proof of his "manliness" in the eyes of Islam. The popular belief is that she "worshipped" him after the consumation which also proved his "abilities".

[weegee]

It certainly needs to go through a reformation to purge these traits from its' practice.

Muslims need to be tolerant of those who practice other faiths (and permit arabs to be hindus, Christians, jews, atheists, pagans, whatever they want). No differences of punishment for those who are non-muslim or additional taxes.

I hear that those who are islamofascists aren't "real" followers of islam. Why doesn't the Western muslim movement seek to erradicate islamofascism from within then?

There will be no peace in this world until they learn to coexist in this world and stop oppressing their women and children.