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Split Decision: Supreme court upholds grad policy, strikes Undergrad
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Posted on 06/23/2003 7:15:56 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: CatoRenasci
I find a far greater number of native born without a clue as to what truly makes this country great, than I do immigrants.
621
posted on
06/23/2003 8:38:22 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: Capitalism2003
"his is why we MUST fight for all of Bush's judges."
Please don't make such thoughtless statements. It is not about Bush. He has proven to be less than conservative in many cases. What we need are judges that uphold the constitution...As it was originaly intended. And we need judges that do not like the federal government infringing on state rights. If Bush picks someone who does not meet that criteria then don't support the pick and don't support Bush on the pick. Conservatives need to get back to supporting people based on what they beleve...Not based on who picked them or what party they are from.
622
posted on
06/23/2003 8:46:59 PM PDT
by
Revel
To: Luis Gonzalez
While it is true that bits and snatches from other cultures have found their way into the mainstream of American life, it is hardly true that there has never been a 'melting pot' at least insofar as immigrants were expected, and themselves expected, to learn the fundamental principles our culture and to embrace them. The melting pot was the idea which both old stock and new immigrants embraced as a worthy goal.
Since the 1970's, the idea of the melting pot has gone out of fashion with the growth of multiculturalism. Even the liberal historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. is appalled by multiculturalism. Multiculturalism polarises people and creates divisions, encourages separatism. One example is the absolutely absurd nonsense some Chicanos spout about Aztlan in the Southwest. I knew many of the early Chicano radicals in the University of California system when I was a graduate student in the early 1970s. I have gotten drunk and stoned with a lot of them, and really listened when they talked among themselves. (In English, mind you. few of them spoke any kind of Spanish in those days) The promoters of the Aztlan tripe were almost all Marxists who were explicit that their goal was damage to America, personal power and socialism. They cared not a fig for the poor hispanics.
623
posted on
06/23/2003 8:53:50 PM PDT
by
CatoRenasci
(Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
To: Luis Gonzalez
What can we all derive from this anfractuous thread Luis? Would you care to sum it all up?
624
posted on
06/23/2003 8:54:56 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Torie
"What can we all derive from this anfractuous thread Luis? Would you care to sum it all up?"White folk be scaird man!
625
posted on
06/23/2003 9:02:10 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: Luis Gonzalez; Torie; MJY1288
ROFLMAO!
626
posted on
06/23/2003 9:03:00 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: CatoRenasci
"While it is true that bits and snatches from other cultures have found their way into the mainstream of American life."Outside of language, point to the remaining similarities between modern day America and British culture.
627
posted on
06/23/2003 9:14:54 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: YaYa123
>>>The Undergraduate decision is correct, and affects far more people. We should be cheering this one. Even better, it's a 6-3 decision...Sorry, I missed this post from you today.
You're absolutely right, YaYa123.
To: Luis Gonzalez
What the two have in common beyond language is a hard wired belief in a robust free press, and the rule of law over the whims of man, in practice as well as an ideal. In these two key facets the sceptred and emerald isles and the fruited plain are quite distinct from most of the planet, including the continent of Europe, when the rubber meets the road. Don't ever forget it.
629
posted on
06/23/2003 9:40:04 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Torie
Justinian pre-dated the idea of the rule of law set forth by the Brits, the concept of free-press may have very well seen its birth in the steps of the Roman Senate.
630
posted on
06/23/2003 9:44:04 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: Luis Gonzalez
in practice as well as an ideal This bit is the key, Luis. You would be shocked about the degree of censorship in practice in Continental Europe, as well as alas, increasingly, Canada. But then Canada has that French influence.
631
posted on
06/23/2003 9:46:24 PM PDT
by
Torie
To: Torie
Iustitia est constans et perpetua voluntas ius suum cuique tribuens.
632
posted on
06/23/2003 9:46:49 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: Havisham
O'Connor wrote the majority opinion striking down the undergrad system under the Equal Protections clause.I have to correct myself here. O'Connor wrote the majority opinion supporting the law school case. The reason I'm celebrating is because I thought the undergraduate case would be upheld too. But those who are disappointed are right, the opinion in question was justified by the compelling interest in diversity instead of the law and tangentially, the interest in upholding a meritocracy, which is the only system under which racial relations can improve.
To: Luis Gonzalez; ModernDayCato; CatoRenasci
"What can we all derive from this anfractuous thread Luis? Would you care to sum it all up?" White folk be scaird man!
625 posted on 06/23/2003 9:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
From this offensive comment, I have to conclude that while the majority of us arguing today have been sincere in our intent to define and defend our intellectual heritage, you reveal yourself to be the racist you have deplored. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding white people in this country. While I, too, am from immigrant stock, I was taught as a youngster to love this country's Constitution, the Founding Fathers and the great Westerners who settled our land. To me they remain heroes.
It was dismaying when about 15 years ago, Americans started to identify themselves as x-Americans...Cuban-American, Italian-American, etc. This was an alien concept to my grandparents and parents who might have correctly worn that label. They have taught me that we are all Americans, period. This pride has been worn down by the attacks on our "racist", white heritage by those whose real agenda is to destroy this country. I find in your comments, reflections of such thought, though I'm sure you would protest that you are as patriotic as any American.
To: The Westerner
x-American = un-American
This is a sad day in our great country.
To: The Westerner
"You seem to have a chip on your shoulder regarding white people in this country."Two things:
636
posted on
06/24/2003 5:07:13 AM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: The Westerner
Well put, Westerner. I am hoping that Mr. Gonzalez was merely yanking our chains (since his last comment is ludicrous and racist).
To: The Westerner
"It was dismaying when about 15 years ago, Americans started to identify themselves as x-Americans...Cuban-American, Italian-American, etc."Re-writing history?
No one started doing that other than the Federal government.
638
posted on
06/24/2003 5:08:16 AM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: The Westerner
By the way, you know what the truly offensive comment on this thread was? The statement by you that there are no rights until a government is enacted.
But seeing as to how I wiped the debating floor with you, you had no choice but to come in here throwing in the race card.
Checkmate, mate.
639
posted on
06/24/2003 5:11:07 AM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba será libre...soon.)
To: Torie
On balance, this is a defeat, and a big one, for those who are against disguised quotas.
I've yet to see where race can ever be a factor in admissions/hiring/contracting/etc. without there being a disguised quota.
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