[Luis Gonzalez]

By the way, you know what the truly offensive comment on this thread was? The statement by you that there are no rights until a government is enacted.

But seeing as to how I wiped the debating floor with you, you had no choice but to come in here throwing in the race card.

Checkmate, mate.

[The Westerner]

Dear sir, I would not have brought up the issue of race had you not made what you suggest was a humorous statement that whites are afraid. I found that offensive and since I did not know that you were trying to be funny, I responded. Frankly, I may have a horrible sense of humor, but I don't even see what is funny or a propos.

If I offended you by saying rights don't exist...let me repeat the context--the post which answered your question:

"Finally, I'm looking for the part about God waiting for the U.S. government to come into being so that he could grant rights to all men. Could you help me out please?"

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if you are being sincere, there is your answer. Governments must be defined and instituted among men in order to ensure those inalienable rights. Until an objective set of laws is made manifest through a constitution, those rights cannot be defended or "secured." An objective set of laws requires an orderly government. The aboriginies in any land do not possess title to the land they live upon. In fact, their lawlessness is one of their defining characteristics...which is why our settling of the West was so bloody.