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Russert Has Dean for Breakfast on MTP; Dean is Toast
NBC ^ | June 22, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 06/22/2003 8:16:14 AM PDT by nwrep

Dean is Toast; Russert skewered him on MTP

Please post your impressions of this morning's Meet the Press. Here are some revelations about Dean that Russert dug up, thanks to his thorough research staff:

1. Dean actually wants to raise payroll taxes, and increase taxable income from the current 85,000 dollars to 100,000.

2. Got a Vietnam deferrment for a bad back, but spent the same year skiing in Aspen (1971).

3. Wants to recognize gay couples who get married in Canada.

4. Lied to NARAL by withholding critical, relevant information about parental consent during the abortion of a 12 year old girl. Got totally hammered by Russert on this.

5. First said no cuts in SS, Medicaid and the military, but on being pressed, conceded he may have to cut atleast the rate of growth in all three.

6. Changed stance on the death penalty recently, but argues his "thinking" started changing in 1994, but offered no proof of it (how could he? It is easy to say my thinking started changing long before I became a presidential candidate).

7. Claims to be strong on guns, but has "no problem" with gun control laws being "as tough as they want to be" in the states. (My comments: "As tough as they want to be"? Mr. Dean? No respect for the constitution? Have you read the second amendment?)

8. Argues he did not apologize to Sen. Graham, merely said "I am sorry I said that". Russert laughed and asked, "That is not a apology?" What a phony this "straight-talker" is turning out to be!!

9. Got completely shredded to bits on the military when he could not remember the strength of our armed forces, could not say how much he wanted to increase the Afghanistan forces, got flat footed on his statement about ours will not always be the strongest military. Came across as completely unworthy of being a steward of our armed forces.

10. And best of all, wants to increase our income taxes by rolling back all the tax cuts passed last month.

It is hard to imagine a worse performance by a major party candidate. Even Sharpton came across as more believable!!!


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2004; dean; electionpresident; elections; electionuscongress; lamestreammedia; mtp; presidential; russert; socializedmedicine; sunday; traitorlist
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To: kabar
The cap on FICA wages are raised every year now. The cap is tied to inflation. It will reach 100K eventually by itself. Of course, higher contributions also mean higher payouts.

Higher payouts are not a function of higher inputs with social security. Higher inputs will only lessen the amount of the underrun now forecast for social security.

41 posted on 06/22/2003 9:25:34 AM PDT by FLCowboy,
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To: All
Tim Russert, neo-con?

Nope, just thinning the herd, and preserving intellectual purity for the party line. Howard Dean was straying from the electable portion of the spectrum, and the "skeletons-in-the-closet file" maintained on him by the gnomes of the Democrat(ic) Leadership Council were being trotted out as a warning for him to either ease off on certain positions, or get out of the Democrat race.

Old habits die hard for the powers behind the DLC. (Read: the venomous viper of a spouse to the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001".) Remember, Herself had access to (and has almost certainly retained copies of) some 900 FBI files. The full record of those who had access was never documented anywhere.
42 posted on 06/22/2003 9:32:21 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: nwrep
he got flatten............was very entertaining, if only russert could do the same to that french looking Lurch.......
43 posted on 06/22/2003 9:32:49 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: section9
Always enjoy your posts. Got to admit, Russert does seem to like Kerry, but he has a family to protect.

I guess it's a matter of the economy. Around here, it's hard to imagine there will be anything left standing in another year, yet others talk about things being good.
Maybe it's a regional thing.

If America is in the same shape as Rhode Island/Southeastern Ma, a year from now, anything could happen.

Anything bad, that is.
44 posted on 06/22/2003 9:33:57 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Free Nutkin! Bring Ol' Nutty home!)
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To: kabar
And the cap in 2003 is 89,400 USD, not the 84,900 USD he must be using as his reference material. So this guy is only one year behind reality? Sounds like an informed politican. When I see one who can claim that they did their own tax return (even if it's just using Turbo Tax) I will start to believe any comments about fair taxes.

In the meantime, it's just limosuine liberals and conservatives talking about something they don't understand.

45 posted on 06/22/2003 9:36:45 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: Arkie2
You guys from Ark. put Bill Clinton in office and then permitted him to get spewed onto the national stage.

If you guys had held him accountable in the state gov't, we would be dealing with different international issues now.
46 posted on 06/22/2003 9:49:04 AM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: nwrep
Next Week Dennis Kusenich (D-MARS).
47 posted on 06/22/2003 9:52:45 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: nwrep
Saw it-Stick a fork in him he's DONE
48 posted on 06/22/2003 9:55:17 AM PDT by cody32127 (If Democrats are not evil, then evil has no meaning)
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
49 posted on 06/22/2003 9:56:32 AM PDT by nutmeg
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To: hole_n_one; nwrep
That's what this thread is for.

IMO it's good to have a thread for each Sunday morning show. I find the "conglomerate thread" useless. It's like mixing in three unrelated threads. THe only thing they have in common is that they occur on Sunday morning.

50 posted on 06/22/2003 9:56:57 AM PDT by Principled
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To: unojook
Yeah, it will be interesting to see how Russert interviews Frenchie.
51 posted on 06/22/2003 10:03:39 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Principled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID70/14521.html

Even most of the DUhers realize that this guy is a dullard.
52 posted on 06/22/2003 10:04:38 AM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: daviddennis
You're right that "contributions" will go up. But higher contributions don't mean higher payouts, at least not per retiree. The problem with SS is that the number of retirees per SS "contributor" is going down. So SS taxes have to increase substantially just to meet present benefit levels, let alone increase them

Initally, you are correct. However, the benefits you receive are based on your contributions. Eventually, the the future retirees will be collecting higher benefits. Unfortunately, unlike the WWII generation, they will not take out as much as they put in.

Social Security is a pay as you go system. Contributions are deposited into general revenues (after an IOU is placed in the Social Security Trust Fund.) We will start paying out more than we collect around 2020, which means we have to either increase the FICA tax, reduce benefits, or raise the retirement age. Payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and the like) comprise approximatley 40 percent (compared to 44 percent from income taxes) of the total annual revenue. Reform is imperative--the sooner the better. The problem is the lack of courage by Congress to address the issue in the interest of political expediency. They (especially the Dems) prefer to demigog the issue.

53 posted on 06/22/2003 10:05:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: daviddennis
You're right that "contributions" will go up. But higher contributions don't mean higher payouts, at least not per retiree. The problem with SS is that the number of retirees per SS "contributor" is going down. So SS taxes have to increase substantially just to meet present benefit levels, let alone increase them

Initally, you are correct. However, the benefits you receive are based on your contributions. Eventually, the the future retirees will be collecting higher benefits. Unfortunately, unlike the WWII generation, they will not take out as much as they put in.

Social Security is a pay as you go system. Contributions are deposited into general revenues (after an IOU is placed in the Social Security Trust Fund.) We will start paying out more than we collect around 2020, which means we have to either increase the FICA tax, reduce benefits, or raise the retirement age. Payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and the like) comprise approximatley 40 percent (compared to 44 percent from income taxes) of the total annual revenue. Reform is imperative--the sooner the better. The problem is the lack of courage by Congress to address the issue in the interest of political expediency. They (especially the Dems) prefer to demigog the issue.

54 posted on 06/22/2003 10:06:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Democratshavenobrains
a little profanity over there....

I've tried to go there, but they don't discuss... they rant.

I like it better here.

Here, I can say I advocate the elimination of the income tax and advocate the decriminalization of recreational drugs... I get (mostly) thoughtful, inquisitive replies. Not over there!

55 posted on 06/22/2003 10:09:45 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Arkie2
Is it true that in Arkansas, if you get a divorce, She's still your sister???

Semper Y'all

56 posted on 06/22/2003 10:21:02 AM PDT by Trident/Delta (Colt 1911 .45ACP .... The "original" point and click device.....)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
I diasagree. I read the entire thread. While there were on or two posters that felt Dean could have done better, the majority felt quite vehemently thatb Dean was their "anti-shrub" candidate.

Semper Reality

57 posted on 06/22/2003 10:31:54 AM PDT by Trident/Delta (Colt 1911 .45ACP .... The "original" point and click device.....)
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To: AM2000
This morning's newspaper had a list of the best sellers to date. Her fictional account of her miserable life was listed as number 1 in non-fiction. There was no indicationas to where that list came from, however.
58 posted on 06/22/2003 10:40:37 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Wal-Mart sweat shops are also here in the US)
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To: bonesmccoy
You guys put Bill Clinton in office in the national election. If you guys hadn't voted for him we'd be dealing with different issues now and he'd just be some former govenor of a small southern state.
59 posted on 06/22/2003 10:44:28 AM PDT by Arkie2 (It's a literary fact that the number of words wriiten will grow exponentially to fill the space avai)
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To: texasbluebell
Great turn of a phrase.
60 posted on 06/22/2003 10:44:38 AM PDT by auntdot
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