Sci Fi Channel puts its corporate muscle behind effort to investigate UFOs

Miami Herald ^ | Fri, Jun. 20, 2003 | David Bauder

[demlosers]

NEW YORK - In an unusual step for a television network, the Sci Fi Channel is campaigning to persuade the government to be more forthcoming and aggressive in investigating UFO sightings.

Sci Fi has hired former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta as a Washington lobbyist, sponsored a symposium on interstellar travel and is considering a court effort to declassify documents related to a 1965 incident in Pennsylvania.

The network will premiere a documentary, "Out of the Blue," Tuesday at 9 p.m. (Eastern and Pacific time zones) that methodically lays out an argument that there's something out there.

Most TV networks are reluctant to spend money for anything other than self-interest. The few public interest efforts are hardly controversial: Lifetime promoting breast cancer research, for example, or MTV's Rock the Vote campaign to encourage young people to register.

But by fighting for UFO probes, Sci Fi is wading into an area that invites not only dissent, but also ridicule.

"It's very, very tough for people to take this subject seriously," said Ed Rothschild, a lobbyist in Podesta's firm. "We thought the only way it was going to be seriously addressed is to have serious people talk about it, scientists."

Rothschild won't even identify the members of Congress he's talked to about leaning on the government for more openness about UFOs. He's afraid they'll never help if their names come out and they're laughed at.

Even believers are reluctant to talk about the issue.

After hearing that former President Carter once saw a UFO, "Out of the Blue" filmmaker James Fox repeatedly, and unsuccessfully, asked Carter's representatives for an interview. Undaunted, Fox essentially ambushed Carter with a camera one day at a book-signing. Carter confirmed the incident but his brevity and forced smile indicated he wasn't happy to be answering.

Given the "giggle factor" that surrounds UFOs, Sci Fi is taking a chance with its reputation, Fox said.

"I don't think there's a risk because the questions need to be asked," said Thomas Vitale, Sci Fi's senior vice president of programming. "Even somebody who is the biggest skeptic in the world ... still wants the questions answered. And who better to do it?"

The mission isn't entirely altruistic, of course. The Sci Fi Channel, which is seen in about three-quarters of the nation's TV households, polled viewers on the topic. Evidence of keen interest is also seen in the ratings.

Last November's documentary on the celebrated, suspected 1947 UFO crash in Roswell, N.M., was the highest-rated special in the network's 11-year history. It was seen by nearly 2.4 million people, or about 2 1/2 times Sci Fi's usual prime-time audience.

"Our main goal is not to find a UFO," Vitale said. "The goal is finding the truth. We're expanding and exploring the blurry line between what is science fiction and what is science fact."

Vitale wouldn't say how much Sci Fi is spending on this. The network sponsored an archaeological excavation at Roswell, will debut a public service announcement Tuesday and has four new UFO specials in the works.

It is backing an effort to get U.S. Air Force records released on a 1965 incident in Kecksburg, Pa., where some witnesses believe a UFO crashed. This may end up in court, Rothschild said.

Fox, a San Francisco-based journalist, never thought much about UFOs until a visit nine years ago to Nevada, when he and his friends watched a saucer-shaped object hover silently in the sky then dart away.

"When I got home, I was met with laughter," he said. "No one believed me, even my family. I thought, if my own family doesn't believe me, who does?"

Intrigued, he began looking into other UFO incidents. He sold a 1998 documentary to the Discovery Channel and shopped "Out of the Blue" to the same network, but said he was told Discovery no longer buys pro-UFO films. (A Discovery spokeswoman denied this.)

So he went to Sci Fi. Fox considers 95 percent of reported UFO incidents bunk, either hoaxes or easily explained conventional phenomena. And don't count him among people who believe aliens already live among us.

But that still leaves a significant number of mysterious cases. "Out of the Blue" outlines several, concentrating on the most reputable of witnesses - former astronauts, military and government officials, topped off by an ex-president.

Fox's storytelling is sober, not sensational. Summing up incidents at the end of the film, Fox gives the official government explanations of what happened, and they're often more ridiculous than the sightings themselves.

"You get to a point where you can no longer dismiss each and every episode," he said.

Fox and Rothschild can think of several reasons why the government doesn't want to talk about UFOs:

_ The military doesn't want to spend time or money on something that isn't perceived as a threat.

_ Officials may also like the secrecy; it keeps other governments guessing about what kind of new weapon technologies might be in the works.

_ It could also be embarrassing, since it can expose what they don't know and the limitations of human technology.

_ And who wants to set off a "War of the Worlds"-type incident?

Fox envisions the public announcement that could come with such an event: "We don't know where they come from, we don't know what they're doing. We can't stop them if they become hostile and they can fly rings around all of our aircraft.

"Thank you, and good night."

[Quix]

Great! Please tune in here as well if you are able to do both at the same time. Would love to have your comments.

[Quix]

AM RUSHING OFF to get some meds for a worsening serious toothache. Will be back ASAP.

Please post what you're able as workable and convenient!

Blessings,

[Quix]

In the past decade over 50,000,000 have reported seeing ET craft . . .

Mexican officials even held press conferences asking the public to remain calm. . . . these sightings are continuing at this time. . . .

in 1989 Bob Lazar was hired . . . must be aliens building them somewhere . . . if that's true, must be others . . .

AT first the sightings began occurring some distance from his home. But it wasn't long before the discs began hovering over his backyard. . . . IN the blink of an eye, the craft disappeared . . .

slowed down, we see the craft dematerialize frame by frame

20 Oct 1995

took place over a 50 min period. . . .

here we see the craft minutes after the sighting began . . . clearly we can see the craft hovering over the homes below. These large crafts are commonly referred to as beam ships or motherships . . . approximately 38 min into the sighting, the ship began hovering away from his house . . . he followed the craft in his car . . . Miami Int airport where it hovered . . . . this slow motion enhancement shows it hovering . . .

commercial.

[Quix]

note: I TRY to type the more important phrases at least and then post them at each commercial break.

Please share your comments as you feel like it.

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in 1561

This cigar shaped craft was filmed in RI

These pics of a cigar shaped UFO were taken in California.

Doohan--the evidence is overwhelming.

When did these sightings began--the evidence is . . . since the dawn of time.

Unknowingly, we'd sent an invitation to the universe [with the atomic bomb] . . .

As early as 1947, alien craft began to respond to our open invitation by arriving in large numbers. . . . NEW MEXICO was the place to be . . . White Sands . . . Roswell home to the only atomic bomb squadron in the world.

Rancher M Brazel . . . spread over an area 100 miles long and 3/4 mile wide . . . debris . . . Base Commander had already ordered a press release that they had recovered a disc. . . .

Recently declassified Top Secret documents disclose recovery of an "alien craft."

In response to the Roswell crash, Pres Truman . . . MJ 12

to research the UFO phenomenon and keep it out of the public eye.

These once top secret papers describe multiple alien recovery . . .

AT the end of MJ12's preliminary . . . the phenomenon is something real and not imaginary nor fictitous.

circular or eliptical . . . the General described the alien craft as extremely manoeuverable.

The alien craft represented a technological advantage.

The public demanded an explanation. . . .

credible observers of relatively incredible things . . .

the military had no choice but to try and explain the UFO sightings.

. . . off the coast of the island Trinidad. After the official analysis proved the craft was 150' in diameter . . .

The first UFO tracking project was installed in Alaskad . . . aboard special recon planes . . . under the command Lt Col W Stevens.

all the films [from planes etc] etc. packed into a metal box and chained to an officer's wrist and sent to Wash about 3-4 times a month.

In July 1952--that's exactly what happened--Glowing discs buzzing Washington DC up to 7,000 mphs . . . a week later the discs returned.

The airforce blamed it on a temp inversion.

They thought discrediting the sightings would decrease the public interest. So . . . the coverup began.

[janetgreen]

slowed down, we see the craft dematerialize frame by frame

Aha, the cloaking device! I just turned on Sci-Fi, and guess what's on here in southern Cal? Star Trek. The good stuff about UFOs will start later here.

[KevinDavis]

At least they had the common sense in keeping Stargate going.

[Quix]

Project Blue Book [will skip typing this part--I hate the whole subject of Blue Book]

sea gulls and swamp gas!

The height of the Cold War ushered us into the space race . . . man on the moon. . . space exploration became a top priority. But as NASA found out--the Russians weren't the only ones watching.

NASA's official policy is that it's not engaged in any UFO research . . .

but . . . show that practically every flight included UFO observations . . . . clyndrical UFO in orbit . . . luminous discs in orbit around the moon. . . .

Here a gigantic dome shaped disc filmed in stationary orbit above the moon's surface . . .

It has it's own policies regarding ET contact . . .

James Lovell, Deke Slayton . . . their own encounters . . .

A ham radio operator claims he picked up the voice of Col Blaha . . . another space shuttle mission filmed several discs . . .

sightings continued to increase in number . . . took footage in his backyard in twilight . . . scientists examining the footage conclude the disc appears to be manoeuvering in it's own gravitational field.

[Quix]

In 1977 . . . a boy scout took this . . . of a craft that circled his house.

This luminous domed craft appeared to have a rim around the center . . .

moved with such speed, it left this luminous track on a single frame of film . . . no . . . can move that fast with that manoeuverability.

The disc appears to be rotating while emitting a blue glow.

This sighting was filmed from the parking lot . . . of the . . . hotel (Las Vegas) . . .

these 2 discs were video taped outside Ottowa Canada,
. . . the guardian sighting.

as this disc emerged from the river and flew off.

. . . Reagan . . .

2 years later he repeated the alien theme at the UN.

Doohan--Pres Reagan's speech started the public asking questions again.

. . . area 51 . . .

the base has expanded immenseley.

Until recently the gov denied it's existence.

amateur photogs risking imprisonment

gov seized adjacent land. . .

monitors the BLM land around the base .

These black unmarked copters buzz autos . . .

This eyewitness video . . . as hovers over the base . . .

Bob Lazar breaks his silence . . . at the military top secret saucer . . .

specializing in advanced propulsion . . . hired by the military to back engineer an alien craft

S4 was made specifically to seperate it there.

rather the discs were being flown out of S4.

an area just off the Papoose lake bed.
9 hangers with sloped doors on them with a sand colorde coating.

flew to groom lake; deplaned . . . to S4

"well this explains the UFO sightings" thinking it was an advanced fighter--it never occurred to me that I was looking at an ET vehicle.

a sport model; jello mold; top hat;

alien crafts like the ones Bob worked on had been sighted throughout the world.

It probably really hit me when I got inside the craft . . . and finally grasped the whole project as a whole.

we weren't building this thing--we were trying to find out how it was made--we were back engineering it.

But it's a real ominous feeling--like you shouldn't be there.

I only witnessed one test flight up close officially.

The craft lifted up almost silently--cronal discharge

[Quix]

[tired. sore tooth, sleepy]

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I think this is another notch up in several qualitative and detail respects. Not huge leaps but incrementally . . .

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From deep inside the underground facility, Lazar discovered how these craft operated.

There were 3 large gravity amplifiers . . . 2' diameter . . .

they can be independently positioned . . . They'll use one gravity generator to lift the craft off the ground.

as opposed to thrust . . .

the craft work completely opposite of that

they'll swing the other 2 gravity generators creating a kind of down hill in front of them . . . .

Omocron config; delta using all 3--for . . . always chasing a distortion . . .

that's why they look goofy at slow speed mode . . . unstable . . .

it would appear as a glowing ball, a bright light . . . even close up--a glowing halo . . .

enough energy to a gas molecule--they emit a photon . . .

you're feelings change once you're privy to the info.

there must be others . . .

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We've uncovered startling new evidence that mankind has been visited since recorded history . . . Pakistan 7,000 yeqars ago

disc shaped craft over hunting scene . . . Japanese cave painting . . . middle ages . . . .

Summarians . . . preserved records show contact with alien beings .

Summarian symbol in crop formation.

as shown on this video tape, most crop formations coincide with UFO sightings . . .

Billy Meier . . . [sigh]

An independent lab confirmed the photo had not been altered and was considered genuine.

electron microscope of the metal sample . . . intricately machined and cold fused together and could not have been manufactured on earth.

skeptics maintained that the photos were too good to be true.

[Quix]

ANYONE ELSE TYPE FAST?

AM FINDING IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO STAY AWAKE.

aNYONE ELSE able and willing to take over transcribing this program and the one following?

[Quix]

mass siting . . . Mex City . . . this extraordinary phenomena continues to this day. . .

amateur photogs captured the eclipse . . .

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sorry--am running out of gas.

If anyone else can fill-in--great.

Going to take a shower and head for bed.

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corona discharge on the bottom of the craft

2,000 hours of video taken . . . all reveal the same metalic shaped craft as photographed from different areas of the city . . . analyzed . . .

thermal image . . .

sightings continued to grow in numbers following the eclipse.

from an apartment in the city . . . while filming this car commercial . . .

take it away folks . . .

[Quix]

A bit more energy after the shower . . .

Bob Lazar . . . Zeta Reticuli
. . .

typical grey photo

I would imagine 3.5-4' tall . . . guessing . . . all I had was a photo . . .

alien exchange program . . . story was relayed to me

. . .

live aliens at the facility . . . at one particular point
there was a sidearm . . . if they had entered the area,

the bullets would have detonated . . . an alien tried to stop the security from entering the area . . .

job description

official . . . sr staff physicist.

I wasn't supervising anyone . . .

there infrequently . . .

I had a Majestic clearance--38 levels above Top Secret.

see 1st disc 3rd time I was up there.

Normally went in main entrance . . .

pulled near last hanger door which was open . . .

never even occurred to me that I was looking at an ET vehicle.

thought of it as an advanced man made craft

when I got inside the craft and began to understand how the craft was operated and began to grasp the whole project as a whole--we were not building this thing--we were back engineering it.

emotional response? Implications? world, man?

I really didn't think about the implications . . . emotionally . . . that's not the way it was--exciting--it was ominous--felt like you shouldn't be there--a real ominous feeling.

[Quix]

Will see if I can do another segment . . .

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similar to the gravity wave that the earth produces . . .

not really an opposite polarity . . .

Well the craft generates it's own gravitational field. Being inside that field--essentially--doesn't shield you--but you're in . . . almost in a different realm--you're influenced only by that gravitational realm . . . so the 90 degree turn thing . . . you're in your own gravity field . . . not a problem . . .

delta configuration would be for space travel

focusing the 3 gravity generators at a single point and moves around space that way . . .

the craft rolls downhill for infinity--chasing a gravity distortion . . .

depending on the minerals etc. underneath it . . . can vary things . . .

craft should have distorted the radio waves, also. appearantly there's something there I don't understand . . .

52 ft in diameter . . . this was quite a scientific feat.

The craft itself--i assume it was metal . . . unfinished stainless steal--no seam . . . as though injection molded in one giant die. . . I can't reflect on how it may be built.

How would you define gravity . . .

difficult to explain . . . many theories . . . gravitons . . . sub-atomic particles . . . a form of wave; an electromagnetic wave . . . an inherent property of matter . . . basically all that we really know. . .

thru research at S4 . . . it appears that there are 2 different forms of gravity . . . holding matter, etc. together . . . planets

If you're under the craft--because of the way the gravity is being used . . . you will actually see what's above the craft . . . a trick of the way light bends under the influence of gravity. . .

space, time and gravity are always interrelated . . . gravity bends space. gravity also distorts time. . .

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ANY COMMENTS???

[LanPB01]

Well, I'm reading your summaries, but since I don't get Sci-Fi, there's not a lot I can add. If you're too tired, just take a break. I'm sure others will have lots of comments tomorrow.

[Quix]

wHAT ARE SOME OF THE INHERENT problems traveling at the speed of light?

AS your speed increases--so does your mass proportionally.

. . . converted into mass . . .

at extreme velocity . . . navigational problems . . .

a whole host of problems you can run into beside the fact of the amount of energy required . . .

PROJ SIDEKICK

Any of the weapons potential of the craft.

. . .

[phone call]

time distortion, time dialation.

element 115 is in the top of the reactor.

the particle is accelerated to high speed and . . . aimed at 115

this causes a reaction--a radiation emission that we really haven't seen before--this produces antimatter--guided down a tube, too . . . antimatter . . . converted 100% into energy . . . electrical power . . . used to power other . . . around the craft. . . .

gravitational wave from the 115 being bombarded--guided the same way microwaves are guided . . .

Is there a thermal radiation danger to the crew? There is no thermal radiation--which is a violation of the first thermodynamic law--but it's working.

the island of stability . . .

somewhere around 114-116--the nucleous of the atom is stable.

115 is, in fact this element.

it occurs again around element 247.

Did they--the aliens give us 115 in large quantity?

I can't answer that question. I was told we have 500 lbs.

YOu were able to get away with a sample . . . NO.

[Quix]

tHANKS. sHOWER woke me up and meds seem to have moderated the tooth ache a lot. Will see how much further I can go.

Would love to see some comments for the effort!

Much appreciate yours.

[potlatch]

Quix, NIX the Clicks, LOL!! I haven't been watching tonight and you must have your pager off because my head is PINGING!! Love, Carol

[Quix]

You witnessed several night time test flights off the base . . .

at the exact moment the craft was doing exciting things I was fiddling with the video camera . . . .similar to what i'd seen before close up . . .

how were you able to find out about the test flight schedules. They were told to me because I would likely have to be present . . .

statistically least amount of traffic.

high voltage discharge on the bottom of the craft.

why appear as glowing balls of light? kind of same reason a neon or flourescent light lights up.

When you apply enough energy to a gas molecule, the emit photons. It's really a byproduct to how the craft operates.

If you were going to see one of these craft operate . . . even close up--you'd see a glowing halo around it . . .

however keep in mind, lights in the sky are also common things . . .

Aurora --it's a large craft--two huge square exhausts or vanes

sounds more like a rocket. I think he did mention it was liquid methane

Working on this model, I couldn't care less about other things...

any attempts on your life?

. . . interstate 15 . . . a car came up beside me . . . white boxy looking car--i accellerated--there was a gunshot--back of the car was hit--I stopped--paralyzed--I expected him to pull up and shoot me--but he didn't.

It was an attempt. by whom, I don't know. They threatened my life and my wife's life.

a gun to your head?

I brought some friends out

following week I was debriefed at Indian Springs . . . they were essentially grilling me about security. How could I possibly bring people out there.

I guess I wasn't as responsive as they wanted.

Have you maintained any contact?

No, haven't heard from anyone.

Supervisor tried to make contact with me.

I took a couple of friends down there. . .

We saw him but I also did recognize some security personnel around there, we left.

AS we enter the 21st century, how has your experience changed your beliefs.

If you want to word how have my opinions changed? considerably.

One of the guys that thought that gov conspiracy, UFO's etc. were lunatics.

I remember laughing at John Lear--that he'd lost his mind about one of his interviews . . . 70 races of ET's . . .

the government doing everything BUT looking out for us.

Obviously ET craft do exist. Someone had to build them--must be a factory and an entire civilization . . . then there must be others . . .

Kind of moved from Sci Fi to reality.

[Quix]

Are you saying forget the pings?

OK, will just add on to my own posts. Those interested can read the whole section of the thread.

Otherwise, I am too thickheaded at the moment to understand your msg.

[potlatch]

I am too thickheaded at the moment to understand your msg.

LOL, I think you are sleep-walking!! I'm NOT watching the program and I've had 12 pings from you on my Free Republic PAGER. I wrote you a private message, but you must not be using the pager. Carol