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‘The Real Deal’ on women in Saudi
MSNBC ^
| 6-19-03
| Joe Scarborough
Posted on 06/21/2003 12:04:50 AM PDT by JustPiper
Held in Saudi Arabia against their will
COMMENTARY by Joe Scarborough
June 19 American women and children continue to be held in Saudi Arabia against their will. The cream puffs at the State Department can call it what they want
but if it were our children trapped in a foreign land, wed call it kidnapping.
WOMEN HAVE FEW rights in Saudi Arabia. Like the Taliban, our so-called Saudi allies prohibit women from leaving the country without their father and husbands approval. Thirteen years ago, an American woman actually got kicked out of the U.S. embassy for having the nerve to escape there with her children. It seems the childrens father regularly beat the woman and children. Reports of other American women and children trapped in Saudi Arabia continue surfacing at an alarming rate despite Prince Bandars September promise that no American women and children would be held in his kingdom against their will.
Well, todays news made the Prince out to be a liar.
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23-year-old Sarah Saga and her two children escaped to the U.S. embassy to get away from another abusive Saudi relationship. Miss Sagas story is typically tragic: Her Saudi father kidnapped Ms. Saga when she was 6 years old and refused to return her to her American mother. Saga grew up and was forced to marry a Saudi man; she had two children, and then found herself trapped in an abusive relationship. Last month she tried to take her children home to America, but once again, the Saudis refused and offered Ms. Saga a Sophies Choice: your freedom or your children. Already facing death threats, Ms. Saga chose to escape Saudi soil and finally come home to American soil.
But the question remains. Why does our administration and Congress continue allowing the Saudis to kidnap our women and imprison our children? If Iran were to do such a thing, we would quickly declare war. It begs the question, is the pursuit of cheap oil really worth selling our nations soul? I think not.
And that, my friend, is the Real Deal.
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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americancitizens; childabuse; children; civilrights; hostage; humanrights; kidnapped; muslimwomen; rightsviolations; saudi; saudiarabia; saudihumanrights; saudiworldview; wherearethefeminists; wpmen
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To: hocndoc
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I think it's time to use some big diplomatic courier bags to smuggle the children out!"
Better get all such women & children out at once. They could probably manage to get Sarah & her kids to a US military base, then out of country, but that's be the last Saudi Americans to leave that way, I'll bet. SA would clamp down on ingress / egress to our Embassies & Consulates so much that another 'Sarah' would be 'purt near impossible.
Getting them to a military base would be tough, though, (do we have bases on that side of the desert?). Maybe they could smuggle them out across the Red Sea?
To: happygrl
"As many as necessaary to get our own citizens home. "
Now this is an issue you and I agree on. No mother should have endure her and her children being abused with no way out. That especially goes for a US citizen who simply wants to return to her home country with her children. It's too bad that we can't have a little checkbox form on our tax papers to check off the programs we would like our money spent on. With a decent computer program to process the answers on the forms, it would be easy to tell where the majority of the taxpayers want the government to do with the money we give them. But they probably wouldn't care anyway. My $600 check this year is probably being spent on food aid to other countries while there are still people in our own country who need food aid too. (not that i'd want it going for welfare programs, but WIC isn't a bad program at all since it only pays for food.)
To: Proud2BeFree
I don't think it would even take a war to get people like this woman home. I think it would only take the American Embassies sending home people in her situation who want to go home and letting her children come with her. If he wants the kids back, then he can go through our legal system to get visitation rights like the other parents here do.
To: hocndoc
Thank you Doc, but this issue has had my passion for a few decades. I grew up in the 60's not fighting for the same rights as most Women's libbers (bar throwing my bra away)...LOL...but the issues that were taboo to discuss, beating and killing women.(A silent domestic problem). When I met Susan, I found out we grew up in the same police district. My aunt wound up knowing her father, the cop who beat his wife for years. See, of course how could the wife/mother go to the cops for help?
Back then you took your licks. When I found out what Susan went through, her mother and brother, it ate me up. But I was already active when we met. Then of course, by then her father had killed her mother, then himself ;(
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:06:32 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: Ready4Freddy
Well since we are leaving Saudi bases etc. NOW is the time for them to do right and bring these women and kids with them!!!
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:08:20 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: Ready4Freddy
Good forum on Sarah Here, we should unite with any sites found to help:
Supply-Side Forum I have been in search of a way to try to contact Sarah!
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:13:11 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: JustPiper
From this forum:
While our country abandons imprisoner Americans our Saudi Consular is doing possible to help any Saudi get a Visa as easily as possible. The VISA EXPRESS program allows Saudis to get a Visa by just meeting a Saudi travel agent, NO interview, questions, nothing!!! And its the only program in the world.
VISA EXPRESS NO MORE?
Here
The only solution is stripping visa-issuance powers from CA, and placing that duty in the hands of the new Department of Homeland Defense a move Bush did not initially propose. But if the officials currently running the show are simply transferred to another bureaucracy in which they can seek solace and resist reform, then the action will be meaningless. The visa house must be cleaned, and every visa applicant must visit a consulate or embassy and be interviewed.
Let's hope Congress realizes what CA does not: Cosmetic changes alone will not protect us from people wishing to do us harm.
Visa Express, History
Open Door for Saudi Terrorists
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:21:42 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: Ready4Freddy
Sarah and the Saudis Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. claims that no American women are held in Saudi Arabia against their will. Opinion Journal says otherwise. You can read the entire article here.
If only Sarah Saga were trying to crash a men's-only golf club. Then she and those like her might be guaranteed some sustained media coverage. As it is, this intrepid 23-year-old American mother is now holed up with her two children in the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah in a desperate bid for freedom.
Back in September Prince Bandar, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the U.S., claimed in this newspaper it is "absolutely not true" that any American women were in his country against their will. Ms. Saga's flight to the consulate suggests otherwise. For under Saudi law no woman--even an American--is free to leave that country if her father or husband forbids it.
If we have learned anything since 9/11, it's the strong national interest all Americans share in letting the world know there will be consequences for molesting an American abroad. So long as the Saudis insist on the dismal status quo, we can't understand why any U.S. Administration would even consider issuing another Saudi visa or repatriating another Saudi detainee from Guantanamo.
As soon as the Iraqi oil fields are back in full production, and the strategic petroleum reserve is topped off, President Bush should deliver the same message to the Saudis that Moses delivered to Pharaoh Let my people go. If the Saudis refuse, we should inflict such destruction on them that they wish they were in Pharaoh's Egypt, suffering the plagues and curses God loosed on Egypt.
The Saudi treatment of women, in general, is appalling. The Saudi treatment of these American women is utterly unacceptable. There are energy security concerns that must be considered, when dealing with the Saudis, but no American government should tolerate the abuse and false imprisonment of any American citizen by any government. Sarah Saga, and all of her non-Saudi sisters, must be permitted to come home, with their children.
Riyadh delenda est! Posted by Cato the Youngest at 04:38 PM
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:28:11 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: Ready4Freddy
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:35:22 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(You know that I'm NOT the kind of crazy that can be cured!!!)
To: JustPiper
Thanks, Piper. That article can be found here,
here, btw.
To: A_perfect_lady
Once you are in his power, Dr. Jekyll becomes Mr. Hyde, Henry VIII, and Bluebeard all rolled into one.
Oh, c'mon, stop badmouthing Henry - he's a great guy and a close personal friend. :)
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posted on
06/23/2003 11:50:40 AM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: Xenalyte
Hey, hang with Henry all you want, but take my advice... don't marry him! ;^)
To: Proud2BeFree
I know I'm gonna get charred for this, but let's do it anyway.
Does marriage to a U.S. citizen enable her to get some kind of legal status? If so, I'd find a sympathetic friend (a gay man comes to mind) who'd be willing to "marry" her just to get the paperwork. Then, once everything is in train, they can annul.
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posted on
06/23/2003 12:00:38 PM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: hocndoc
Women are trained from infancy that we are second class to men and that we should make a marriage work no matter what.
Not in Texas, we're not. Many of us are encouraged to have a life, THEN consider marrying if we want to.
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posted on
06/23/2003 12:06:04 PM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: Xenalyte
"
Does marriage to a U.S. citizen enable her to get some kind of legal status?"
Ever seen the movie 'Green Card'? ;)
To: Ready4Freddy
Nope - I can't abide Andie MacDowell.
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posted on
06/23/2003 12:15:30 PM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: A_perfect_lady
Ah, he won't give me the time of day. :)
Xen's a barbarian who doesn't bathe frequently enough, and who wouldn't know what to do with a fork if she were kept from stabbing someone with it.
Ralla - well, she's an elf, and you KNOW how the royals feel about mixing bloodlines.
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posted on
06/23/2003 12:16:46 PM PDT
by
Xenalyte
(I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
To: Xenalyte
The answer is yes (if you can fool the INS).
To: Xenalyte
Oh, c'mon, stop badmouthing Henry - he's a great guy and a close personal friend. :) Ooooh, and a snappy dresser too!
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posted on
06/23/2003 12:17:48 PM PDT
by
najida
(What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
To: Xenalyte
Bull. It's elves who won't mix bloodlines. They are the worse snobs...
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