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1 posted on 06/20/2003 1:56:16 PM PDT by presidio9
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So the people who edit information to serve political purposes for a living are criticizing others for a similar perceived slight?
2 posted on 06/20/2003 1:57:58 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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Well, well. We're not only getting rid of Christie Todd-Whitman (long overdue), we're also going to correct/ammend the junk science. Good good good.
4 posted on 06/20/2003 2:02:08 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( "Aspire to Mediocracy"..........new motto for publik skools....)
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"Global warming is true regardless of whether or not there is evidence."
5 posted on 06/20/2003 2:02:09 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: presidio9
If the AP report characterizes this accurately, this was a dumb move by the White House.

Of course, that's a big "if."

6 posted on 06/20/2003 2:02:44 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: presidio9
Can we edit out the words "rain forest" and insert the words "unkempt jungles"?
7 posted on 06/20/2003 2:05:51 PM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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8 posted on 06/20/2003 2:06:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Iran Mullahs will feel the heat from our Iraq victory!)
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It used to known as the "global warming theory" The "theory" somehow was dropped a couple years ago. Wonder how that happened, since there's still serious debate amongst scientist whether there's anything going on
that hasn't gone on for thousands for years?
10 posted on 06/20/2003 2:18:29 PM PDT by nuconvert
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Editing has cleaned up the environment,which is all it ever needed in the first place!
11 posted on 06/20/2003 2:19:42 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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the climate section "no longer accurately represents scientific consensus on climate change,"

There is no scientific consensus, although there is a political consensus. Smogbag ecotopists are riding this bangtail way too hard; she's not going to finish the race.

13 posted on 06/20/2003 2:25:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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Kinda like thier new policy on not releasing any unemployment information unless it's good news.

Peculiar.
15 posted on 06/20/2003 2:48:15 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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Why is everybody getting so uptight about this REPORT?? It's not a legal document - it's just a report. We edited the ENVIRONMENTAL WHACKO report and make it more user friendly.
17 posted on 06/20/2003 3:02:12 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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>>The changes initially were reported in Thursday's New York Times. <<

So it must be true then...
19 posted on 06/20/2003 3:18:13 PM PDT by RobRoy
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>>EPA spokesman Joe Martyak said the agency "didn't want to hold up the rest of the report" because of the disagreement over the climate language and because there remains no clear "consensus on the science and conclusions" on global warming. <<

That alone justifies the deletion.
20 posted on 06/20/2003 3:19:24 PM PDT by RobRoy
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Mark VanPutten, president of the National Wildlife Federation, said the matter "provides disturbing evidence of the administration's readiness to reject or spin scientific findings on crucial environmental issues that do not suit the White House's political agenda."

Who's political agenda?

Mankind's impact is only 0.28% of Total Greenhouse effect

" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,
and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;
in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

 

Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)

Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics  % of All Greenhouse Gases

% Natural

% Man-made

 Water vapor 95.000% 

 94.999%

0.001% 
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 

 3.502%

0.117% 
 Methane (CH4) 0.360% 

 0.294%

0.066% 
 Nitrous Oxide (N2O) 0.950% 

 0.903%

0.047% 
 Misc. gases ( CFC's, etc.) 0.072% 

 0.025%

0.047% 
 Total 100.00% 

 99.72

0.28% 

The reality is a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration over current levels, that the IPCC "story line" pretends, even if true, could not induce significant temperature change whatever its source.

Climate Catastrophe, A spectroscopic Artifact?

"It is hardly to be expected that for CO2 doubling an increment of IR absorption at the 15 µm edges by 0.17% can cause any significant global warming or even a climate catastrophe.

The radiative forcing for doubling can be calculated by using this figure. If we allocate an absorption of 32 W/m2 [14] over 180º steradiant to the total integral (area) of the n3 band as observed from satellite measurements (Hanel et al., 1971) and applied to a standard atmosphere, and take an increment of 0.17%, the absorption is 0.054 W/m2 - and not 4.3 W/m2.

This is roughly 80 times less than IPCC's radiative forcing.

If we allocate 7.2 degC as greenhouse effect for the present CO2 (as asserted by Kondratjew and Moskalenko in J.T. Houghton's book The Global Climate [14]), the doubling effect should be 0.17% which is 0.012 degC only. If we take 1/80 of the 1.2 degC that result from Stefan-Boltzmann's law with a radiative forcing of 4.3 W/m2, we get a similar value of 0.015 degC."

A Lukewarm Greenhouse
"
The average warming predicted by the six methods for a doubling of CO2, is only +0.2 degC."


 

Global Warming Score Card

Seems as though there is room for substantial doubt as to any negative effect human created CO2, Methane etc. may have on our Climate future.

At least these folks believe so:

Petition Project: http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.

Specifically declaring:

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate.

Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.

Nearly all of the initial 17,100 scientist signers have technical training suitable for the evaluation of the relevant research data, and many are trained in related fields.


23 posted on 06/20/2003 6:00:55 PM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: presidio9
The EPA report was edited before final approval and printing. Isn't that a normal procedure? Contrast that with the IPCC report of 1995 which was edited after final approval. The people objecting to the EPA editing were mum when the 1995 editing occurred. They got their way then, but today are unhappy they are not getting their way.
26 posted on 06/21/2003 11:38:37 AM PDT by Number_Cruncher
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Let me get this straight. Removing biased and inaccurate information when it supports a liberal view is doctoring, while doing it when its supports a conservative view is editing. Okay. Got it.
27 posted on 06/21/2003 12:15:05 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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"It brings into question the ability and authority of the EPA ... to publish unbiased scientific reports,"

Let's see... so we are supposed to believe that left to their own devices, the Environmental PROTECTION Agency will not be at all biased. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Mm hmm.

30 posted on 06/23/2003 7:54:46 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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Here in Pennsylvania, we've really been suffering with all drizzle and no sun. Cold too; must be global warming, after all, isn't everything?
31 posted on 06/23/2003 7:58:47 AM PDT by dufekin (Peace HAS COME AT LONG LAST to the tortured people of Iraq!)
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