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Mexican Standoff
National Review Online ^ | June 20, 2003 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 06/20/2003 9:52:39 AM PDT by One_American

A congressional hearing on “matriculas.”

House panel is beginning to take a hard look at the newest wrinkle in the immigration debate — identity cards distributed by Mexican consulates in the United States to illegal immigrants.

A little more than a year ago, Mexican consulates began widespread distribution of "matricula consulars" — identification cards issued by the Mexican government to illegal immigrants in the United States. Consular cards have been around for more than 140 years, but were primarily used by expatriates for identification purposes at their embassies and consulates abroad.

Today, illegal immigrants are finding them useful at banks that are increasingly accepting the cards as legitimate identification to open bank accounts and, in some cases, obtain driver's licenses. According to Immigration Matters, a group calling for stricter enforcement of enforcement laws, about one million matriculas were distributed by Mexican consulates last year, and the card is now accepted as a form of identification by 402 localities, 32 counties, 122 financial institutions, and 908 law-enforcement offices.

The House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims is concerned that a number of other countries, including Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Poland, Peru, and El Salvador are considering establishing similar programs of mass distribution of consular identification.

Colorado state senate president John Andrews told the House panel Thursday that Congress should pass a national version of his state's ban on state and local offices from recognizing "non-secure, non-verifiable" foreign identity cards.

"[Colorado's] bill provides that for identification purposes, state, and local agencies in Colorado accept only secure and verifiable documents — which defines these documents as issued by a state or federal jurisdiction in this country, or issued by a foreign jurisdiction and officially recognized by the United States government," Andrews said. "The best example of this would be a passport."

Congressional reaction to the matriculas mostly broke down party lines.

Subcommittee Chair John Hostettler (R., Ind.), expressed concern that by helping illegal immigrants get services in the United States, foreign governments could "undermine federal immigration law and national immigration policy."

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, the ranking Democrat on the panel, said she saw benefits to wider use of the cards, including the fact that illegal immigrants more likely to use bank accounts.

"Isn't this better than them having their money under a mattress or somewhere else?" Lee asked. "This way we can track whether the money in these accounts is being used for illegal purposes. This is an asset to us. This helps law enforcement."

Jackson Lee also said that the debate surrounding the matriculas was taking a racist tone.

"I keep hearing 'Mexico, Mexico, Mexico,'" the congresswoman said. "I'm a little bit sensitive about the tone that is being used by some of the witnesses in this room… I return to the thought that we're hearing the bashing of immigrants and bashing of those who come over our border from Mexico."

Rep. Luis V. Guttierez (D., Ill.), who was testifying to the subcommittee about the benefits of widespread use of the matriculas, said much of the criticism was a modern version of past anti-immigrant sentiment.

"We harp and harp on one country and one consular office," Guttierez said. "It's nothing new. If this were the 1890s, we would be talking about the Italians. If this were the 1850s, we would be talking about the menace of the Irish."

Rep. Lamar Smith (R., Tex.), dismissed the charge that panelists were picking on America's southern neighbor.

"Mexico has singled itself out by distributing these consular cards," he said.

Craig Nelsen, executive director of Friends of Immigration Law Enforcement, told the committee that the federal government cannot count on cooperation from other nations in enforcing its immigration laws.

He submitted to the subcommittee a State Department memo that indicated that Miriam Fonseca, consular-affairs director for the nation of Nicaragua, said it was interested in pursuing its own consular I.D.-card program similar to Mexico's. According to the memo, Fonseca told State Department personnel that the Nicaraguan consulate officials would not inquire about applicants' legal status in the U.S., because "that is not a GON [government of Nicaragua] concern."

The panel is scheduled to have another hearing on consular identification cards next week.

Rep. Elton Gallegly (R., Calif.), said he saw one unintended benefit of the card to police forces and immigration-enforcement officials.

"The only good thing that can come out of this for law enforcement is that anyone who would use this card as their sole source of identification is an illegal immigrant," Gallegly said.

— Jim Geraghty, a reporter for States News Service, is a regular contributor to NRO.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration; matricula
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Rep. Elton Gallegly (R., Calif.), said he saw one unintended benefit of the card to police forces and immigration-enforcement officials.

"The only good thing that can come out of this for law enforcement is that anyone who would use this card as their sole source of identification is an illegal immigrant," Gallegly said.

I like the way this guy thinks. The rule of law in our country is being undermined by people like Guttierez and Jackson Lee.

1 posted on 06/20/2003 9:52:40 AM PDT by One_American
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To: One_American
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, the ranking Democrat on the panel, said she saw benefits to wider use of the cards, including the fact that illegal immigrants more likely to use bank accounts. "Isn't this better than them having their money under a mattress or somewhere else?" Lee asked.

I have no problem with their using bank accounts - in their home country. Why are we trying to make life easier for someone here ILLEGALLY?

2 posted on 06/20/2003 10:02:09 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: One_American
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, the ranking Democrat on the panel, said she saw benefits to wider use of the cards, including the fact that illegal immigrants more likely to use bank accounts. "Isn't this better than them having their money under a mattress or somewhere else?" Lee asked.

I have no problem with their using bank accounts - in their home country. Why are we trying to make life easier for someone here ILLEGALLY?

3 posted on 06/20/2003 10:02:25 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: One_American
Staggers the imagination that this one would even require debate! If they are in the country illegally then ANY use of the card is an illegal act!

No problem with legal immigrants - if I didn't live here I'd want to get here too! BUT if they are not legal then they are OUTLAWS. Now we have a Government officially assisting people to break our laws.....
4 posted on 06/20/2003 10:06:50 AM PDT by RRWCC (Even under a good king, a subject is still a subject.)
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To: dirtboy
You're a mexican basher you racist. We need to help those that come over our borders, not hurt them. The real problem is that these are not really identification. By giving them out, knowing they can't be verified, the dictatorship in Mexico is aiding and abetting an ongoing international crime wave. These damn people talking about the Irish etc. they're just misdirecting. At least we knew who the Irish were when they came across the borders, and if you didn't have 'papers' I seriously doubt you could even board the ship.

Queen Jackson-Lee and her fellow race-baiting poverty pimps are such idiots. They totally fail to see that the d-crap strategy here is to marginalize the blacks by making them a tiny minority compared to the 'spanics.

Our only hope is that evil always over-reaches and I think this no-holds-barred invasion is waking people up and getting their attention. As it gets even worse, I expect sooner or later more politicians will get on-board with Tancredo.

I used to think it was a joke, but after hearing him last night on Savage, I'm convinced that Tancredo must run in 2004 to the right of W to hold his feet to the fire and get him to take a stand on this.
5 posted on 06/20/2003 10:13:59 AM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: johnb838
You're a mexican basher you racist.

What's funny is that my wife is more strident about this stuff than I am - and she's an American of Mexican descent.

6 posted on 06/20/2003 10:21:19 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: One_American
Here's my take on this issue:

There's no earthly reason why anyone other than a person in this country illegally would need one of these cards. People in this country legally have visas, work cards, etc. that serve as proper identification. Therefore, the cards indicate probable cause that the person possessing it is an illegal alien who should be reported to Border Patrol or INS for deportation.

That being said, the intent to distribute these cards is to aid the illegal alien in obtaining employment, drivers licenses, bank accounts, credit cards etc. The key word is aid them. It is a federal crime to aid and abet and illegal alien in obtaining any of those things. Therefore, INS should arrest the people distributing the cards for aiding and abetting illegal aliens, seize the matricula consular card databases, and use the seized databases to track down, arrest, and deport the illegal aliens.

Of course all of this depends upon the political will of the Federal Government to actually enforce our border and homeland security laws. That will, however, is not apparent in Washington. In the meantime, millions of foreign criminals are walking around free within the U.S. and there are people actively and openly aiding and abetting them in their crime.

7 posted on 06/20/2003 10:21:22 AM PDT by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: johnb838
Anyone who claims this is a racist issue is just using the race card to squash opposition to a legit objection to an illegal policy.
The Irish and Italian immigrants of the last century were LEGAL immigrants who applied for immigrant status, were prossessed through Ellis Island and were accepted by the US Govt.
They were not illegals who literally snuck accross the border ahead of everyone who was in line.
8 posted on 06/20/2003 10:33:51 AM PDT by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: ibbryn
The Irish and Italian immigrants of the last century were LEGAL immigrants who applied for immigrant status, were prossessed through Ellis Island and were accepted by the US Govt.

That's only partially true - after all, the derogatory WOP stems from Italian immigrants arriving without papers...

9 posted on 06/20/2003 10:43:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Not enough words in FR taglines to adequately describe the dimensions of Hillary's thunderous thighs)
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To: dirtboy
What's funny is that my wife is more strident about this stuff than I am - and she's an American of Mexican descent.

I see that often, I've actually heard an illegal say there are too many illegals here now and it's keeping their wages down and making it too hard to find jobs and I've heard legal immigrants from Mexico complain it's starting to look just like Mexico over here now and that we'd better do something about it or it's going to get worse. In fact I've heard Mexican immigrants themselves say things that would get them banned on here in a second (things they'd like to see done).

10 posted on 06/20/2003 10:57:53 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: RRWCC
Staggers the imagination that this one would even require debate!

It is unbelievable we're debating how to make life easier for criminals. I just keep asking these legislators: what laws can I break that you'll reward me for?

11 posted on 06/20/2003 11:00:41 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: johnb838
"They totally fail to see that the d-crap strategy here is to marginalize the blacks by making them a tiny minority compared to the 'spanics." Well said!!! My thoughts exactly. I believe that this overwhelming immigration both legal and illegal we have been experiencing for the last 30 years was meant all along to drive a wedge between blacks and whites and to make sure that blacks had a rough time of it. I believe that white Democrats like Ted Kennedy are so threatened by black people that they did all of this to destroy black society, culture, economic well-being, etc., etc., etc.
12 posted on 06/20/2003 11:42:11 AM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: dirtboy
"Isn't this better than them having their money under a mattress or somewhere else?" Lee asked.

Typical liberal reasoning. Let's give sexually active teenagers condoms, clean needles to drug addicts, and free abortion on demand to any woman who even thinks about having an abortion in a back alley.

Can we do anything to help people who follow the rules? Then why are we following the rules?

13 posted on 06/20/2003 11:52:22 AM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://wwwgeocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: Roughneck
"I keep hearing 'Mexico, Mexico, Mexico,'" the congresswoman said"

As for me:

I keep seeing them coming from Mexico, Mexico, Mexico!

This congresswoman may be downright stupid.
14 posted on 06/20/2003 12:01:46 PM PDT by Roughneck (Get the U.N. out of the U.S, and get the U.S. out of the U.N.)
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To: One_American
Only that pig Jackson Lee is taking on a racist tone. Her meager attempts at racial intimidation will probably work because she is facing the GOP the party of eunuchs.
15 posted on 06/20/2003 12:20:34 PM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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To: One_American
Jackson Lee also said that the debate surrounding the matriculas was taking a racist tone. "I keep hearing 'Mexico, Mexico, Mexico,'"

Gosh, Sheila, has it occurred to you that Mexicans make up the biggest percentage of illegal aliens?

16 posted on 06/20/2003 12:26:44 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: One_American
"I return to the thought that we're hearing the bashing of immigrants and bashing of those who come over our border from Mexico."

Hey lady, you can't have it both ways....we are either non-racist for bashing illegal immigrants as a whole but should illegal aliens from Mexico be included in this group, then we are racist.

This illegal immigrant issue is infuriating to say the least. I just love to have illegal immigrants coming into this country, getting huge discounts should they decide to go to college. I really love it when these illegal immigrants get an opportunity to shoot and kill a police officer and then flee to the safety of their own country. It happened to a police officer by the name of Dave March who was killed back in 2002. He pulled over a illegal Mexican immigrant and was shot in the chest and then in the head. This animal fled back to Mexico, knowing damn well that Mexico will never turn him over to American authorities. This animal had been thrown out of our country at least three times before he killed this cop.

I wouldn't even be surprised if this guy slipped back into this country, causing harm to more people. Hey, liberals will do anything to be politically correct!
17 posted on 06/20/2003 12:49:17 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Spiff
I agree wholeheartedly. Here in El Paso, though, the Government Employees Credit Union accepts the matricula consular as identification. I guess money talks more than everything else. Sigh...............
18 posted on 06/20/2003 1:38:33 PM PDT by gueroloco
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To: Spiff
Therefore, INS should arrest the people distributing the cards for aiding and abetting illegal aliens, seize the matricula consular card databases, and use the seized databases to track down, arrest, and deport the illegal aliens.

It’s actually much easer than that. The issuance of a drivers license is appropriately a state issue, they can issue it to anyone they want. However it only conveys a right to operate a motor vehicle in that state nothing more.

If a state accepts the matricula consular cards as proof of identity then the reliability of their state documents is dubious at best.

The federal government could simply state that drivers licensees from say the State of Colorado will not be accepted as a valid from of ID for federal purposes.

Thus if you want to board an aircraft, apply for social security, or do any business with the federal government you will be required to bring another form of valid ID such as a birth certificate or passport. It would not take more that 3 hours before these laws were repealed.

As for the banks the feds have all the power they need to change that.

Of course this is just symptomatic issue number 29,506 of our completely failed immigration policy.

19 posted on 06/20/2003 1:39:18 PM PDT by usurper
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To: Cacique; PARodrig; Black Agnes
Ping!
20 posted on 06/20/2003 2:28:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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