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This Year's Math Regents Exam Is Too Difficult, Educators Say
NYTimes.com ^ | June 20, 2003

Posted on 06/20/2003 5:23:05 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

School administrators across New York State are charging that the Regents exam in mathematics offered this week was far too difficult, and that a huge number of high school seniors may be barred from graduating next week because they failed it.

Though many districts have not finished tabulating their scores, superintendents, principals and math department heads are reporting preliminary results that some described yesterday as "abysmal," "disastrous" and "outrageous."

"Kids have walked out of the exam in tears knowing they are just not graduating," said one veteran assistant principal in Brooklyn, adding that officials from other schools had been deluging him with horror stories about the test. "One of the comments I got from a colleague is that summer school is going to be very crowded this year."

School officials are also crying foul about the Regents physics exam, though that situation is not so dire because the test is not a graduation requirement. E-mail bulletin boards for the state's math and physics teachers have been bombarded with complaints about the exams in recent days.

This is the second straight year that educators have criticized the physics exam — in fact, a group of superintendents from Westchester County and Long Island unsuccessfully sued the State Education Department last year on the ground that the exam was an inaccurate measure of skills. But while all agree that the math exam introduced two years ago, known as Math A, is challenging, they say the version administered on Tuesday crossed the line from difficult to impossible.

Bill Hirschen, an Education Department spokesman, said department officials had heard that "some of the success rates have been lower," but that the state would not tally the scores of either test until mid-July, the deadline for schools to report their results. Mr. Hirschen later called back to say that because of complaints about the math exam, the state would ask schools to report their results immediately.

Meanwhile, Assemblyman Ryan S. Karben, a Rockland County Democrat, asked Education Commissioner Richard P. Mills yesterday to immediately investigate what he called "the aberrantly low pass rates" on the math exam. In a news release, Mr. Karben said preliminary reports in Rockland County showed passing rates of 8 percent to 50 percent, "far below the traditional rates."

The math exam, which became a graduation requirement in 2001, covers algebra and geometry, along with some theoretical probability and statistics. It has four parts, including 20 multiple-choice questions and a number of word problems in which students explain how they arrive at an answer.

Most students take and pass the exam as sophomores, after a year-and-a-half-long Math A class, though those who struggle with math often put it off until senior year.

While many math teachers hailed the new exam as appropriately rigorous when it was introduced in 1999, some of those same teachers say the version given this week was far too difficult, even for the brightest students.

Some said it was short on algebra, which is the primary focus of the Math A course, and heavy on difficult geometry questions. Some questions were unnecessarily wordy, they said, while others had more than one correct answer and used terms the students had not been taught. Perhaps their biggest criticism was that the test packed too many tasks into single questions.

"The failure rate is way out of proportion to what we would have anticipated on the basis of how our kids did on previous exams," said William H. Johnson, superintendent of schools in Rockville Centre, who led the lawsuit against the physics exam last year. "We don't know what they are measuring anymore. It's an absolute guessing game."

Dr. Johnson said that only 19 percent of the roughly 95 students who took the math exam this week passed, compared with 78 percent of the 336 who took it in January. While most of the students who took the exam this week were "repeaters" who had failed it at least once before, Dr. Johnson said he expected that at least half would pass because they knew what to expect.

Complaints about this week's math and physics exams are the latest in a series that have plagued the Education Department since it stiffened graduation requirements in 1996. Students must now pass Regents exams in English, math, American history, world history and science to graduate. Educators have complained that the English and history exams are too easy or scored too leniently.

In 2001-02, 68 percent of students statewide who took the Math A exam passed it. In New York City, 50.8 percent passed. Students currently need a score of 55 to pass the math test, and while the passing score is supposed to rise to 65 in 2005, the Regents are considering keeping it at 55.

One state education official said the complaints, especially from suburban educators, were part of a growing reaction against standardized testing. "They refuse to teach to the test," the state official said. "They haven't done well for that reason."

Middle-class and wealthy school districts have actively protested the rise in make-or-break tests, even urging their students to boycott them. But urban educators were just as vehement in their criticism yesterday. Those in New York City would not speak for attribution, saying that Chancellor Joel I. Klein's office had instructed them not to.

Merryl H. Tisch, a member of the State Board of Regents from Manhattan, said that school officials were jumping to conclusions.

"We need to get some data in from a variety of schools before people start to make ad hominem comments about the process and the tests," Ms. Tisch said. "It is much too early to determine the reliability and validity of them."


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1 posted on 06/20/2003 5:23:06 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Some questions ... used terms the students had not been taught.

Maybe "teaching to the test" is not so bad after all, guys. Are they planning to introduce these terms next year? Or are they just gonna whine?

2 posted on 06/20/2003 5:33:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Most students take and pass the exam as sophomores...

But these 'graduating' seniors are unable to pass?

Molon Labe!

3 posted on 06/20/2003 5:39:00 AM PDT by 11Bush
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
make ad hominem comments about the process

How silly. So much for Ms. Tisch's credibility.

4 posted on 06/20/2003 5:40:37 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: ClearCase_guy
My daughter teaches math in a NYS city high school. She is one of the better teachers, and has been emailing me about the test, and how many across the state have failed it.

I asked her how many of her kids passed. She usually has a 90-95% passing rate, but this year she said only 75% passed. Compared to some of the other districts, I think she is doing a terrific job.

She said the test was too hard, by the way...
5 posted on 06/20/2003 5:49:28 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
School administrators across New York State are charging that the Regents exam in mathematics offered this week was far too difficult, and that a huge number of high school seniors may be barred from graduating next week because they failed it.

Boo frigin' hoo. Bunch of softies. They don't know what difficult is. I went through a school system where it was mandated that by the time you reached 14 years old, you should be onto calculus. This was not a special school, but a state run school.

6 posted on 06/20/2003 5:53:46 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: jacquej
I took the Physics Regents on Tuesday, another one of the tests being criticized, and for my Honors class, just about everyone's Regents grades were double-digits below their previous averages.

I think the pass rate in my school was 40% on Physics, including more than several failures in my class, which is terrible, considering no one was failing the course this year (in my class, at least).

Some of it was flat-out impossible, some of it was too obscure in what it was asking, and the remaining was just generally normal.
7 posted on 06/20/2003 5:56:31 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya
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To: GiveEmDubya
Something is very wrong somewhere. If I were a NY parent, I think I would look for another educational venue for my child until the state can figure out how to align the curriculum to the test. I'll bet that a lot of parents will begin to think along the same lines.
8 posted on 06/20/2003 6:05:10 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
I went through a school system where it was mandated that by the time you reached 14 years old, you should be onto calculus.

When the school mandates competence, it gets competent students. Our schools just move the kids along, and if they pick up some basic arithmetic skills along the way, that's nice. Then we test them on geometry, algebra and maybe a little trig -- and if they fail, they can't graduate.

Then the Unions demand more money because so many students failed the test. Something is wrong with our system.

9 posted on 06/20/2003 6:18:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: GiveEmDubya
I'm curious to know more.

Can you recall any of the questions? How did they compare to the questions in the text? Did the exam cover portions of the text that you didn't get to in class? Have you also taken the AP exam or know someone who has? I wonder how the two tests compare. Do these results have any effect on college admission?

10 posted on 06/20/2003 6:18:57 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
Future tests should be the equivalent of what German and Japanese seniors take.

Then you will really see some crying.

11 posted on 06/20/2003 6:22:27 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Eighth graders taking calculus?? Everywhere I've been(as a teacher and a student), calculus was
only offered to 11\12 grade students.
What math classes did you take in grades 9-12? How did your school find teachers to teach the classes?
I would think such talented mathematicians would be in the private sector.
12 posted on 06/20/2003 6:32:15 AM PDT by macrahanish #1
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
I keep seeing all of these stories about how hard or unfair or culturally biased these tests are. But the one thing that I want to see is one of the tests. I say that these whiners need to publicly release the test so we can judge for ourselves if what these government indoctrinated students are unable to pass is worth all of this fuss. I think that the fact that not one school system has released the tests says volumes about what they believe public perception of the tests would be.
13 posted on 06/20/2003 6:44:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: macrahanish #1
It was in an Australian school system. I lived in Auz for 14 years and went through the Australian state school system. School was pretty much the entire year (6 weeks off for summer, and a couple of other weeks off during the year), the school day was longer, and the philosophy back then was to teach just a few subjects, but to teach them in extreme depth.
14 posted on 06/20/2003 6:54:12 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: tnlibertarian
The 8th graders in my state did poorly on their math tests. An official from the state department of education actually admitted it was because many of the "math" teachers actually hadn't had a math class since high school.

It's one thing to have high standards and make everyone jump throught the hoops, but you have to have a decent curriculum and teachers who know how to teach the subject.

It's too easy to blame just the parents and students. Parents won't support schools that fail a majority of their children.
15 posted on 06/20/2003 7:01:42 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: ClearCase_guy
Well, ClearCase, these are my thoughts on the "subject"... It is easy to mandate competence, but hard to get today's kids to take studying seriously for many reasons.

We have some incompetent teachers, but these are at about the same level as in other occupations. Many of our teachers are excellent, dedicated people who pour their heart and soul into trying to motivate their students, but think about the social climate these kids live in.

Many of them have jobs after school, which is a very dumb idea. There is incessant TV in the household, and very few role models on the same supporting study and academic achievement. Then there is the internet, the mall, two parents working, etc...

Today, many parents expect the teachers to do the whole job of motivating the kids. Teachers can't. Parents have to meet them at least half-way, telling the kids that they can't have jobs, can't watch MTV, can't spend hours on the net chatting with friends, can't stay out at the mall on schoolnights, and have to limit extra-curricular activites and sports. Homework has to be priority #1 when they get home from school.

Parents have to stop going to school demanding teachers give "good" grades. Parents have to stop expecting the impossible from public schools, and get their kids to bed at a decent hour, and make sure their kids eat properly. Parents are going to have to supervise their kids so they do not drink and take drugs.

How do you mandate "competence" from a culture? Tell me that, please!
16 posted on 06/20/2003 7:10:06 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: ladylib
ladylib, see my post just prior to yours... I know what I am talking about. In general, parents are falling down on their part of the "equation", pun intended.

Parents have no right to expect more from public schools than the effort they put in themselves to making sure their kids have the right attitude about the importance of school achievement, and work at it.

My daughter majored in math in college, graduated summa cum laude with that major, and took education courses as a minor. She continues to study every summer, and works throughout the summer developing curriculum to keep up with the change in math curriculum in NY. She hasn't has a summer off in years!

This is for no pay, by the way.

What you say may be true in some states, but not in NY State.
17 posted on 06/20/2003 7:16:54 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: jacquej
Then read this article:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/columnists/ny-liexam203339164jun20,0,6796245.story?coll=ny-linews-featured

We aren't talking about slum high schools in the inner city. We're talking about "good" high schools where there is a lot of parental support.

Something is very wrong here and I still don't think it's all the parents' and students' fault.
18 posted on 06/20/2003 7:27:07 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: macrahanish #1
"Eighth graders taking calculus?? Everywhere I've been(as a teacher and a student), calculus was only offered to 11\12 grade students."

I am not a teacher but I tend to agree with Robert Heinlein who once stated that bright ten-year-olds could begin to learn the rudiments of calculus. IMHO we GREATLY under-challenge our kids and so the tests are "too hard", which is another way of saying the students are ill prepared.

Somebody trot out that 1895 exam again.

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When I was an Engineering student at Cornell and MIT, I was awed by the difference in preparation between U.S. students and Asian students. Asian students entering engineering school from high-school were bored to tears until approximately Junior year. In other words, they entered U.S. engineering schools with a two-year head start relative to our "best and brightest". The same was true in grad school. I saw asian UNDERGRADS in my grad classes (fluid dynamics and advanced calculus). They were disliked because they raised the curve and made the rest of us look bad.

Pepper White, in his book The Idea Factory, recounts meeting a Korean student who had memorized the entire fluid-mechanics textbook, with problem sets and the answers in the back of the book...

Short summary: humans (and human children) are capable of much more than we usually ask of them.

--Boris

19 posted on 06/20/2003 7:28:37 AM PDT by boris
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To: ClearCase_guy
When the school mandates competence, it gets competent students.

Districts with strong students mandate competence and it's already there. No reason to thank teaching.

Districts with poor students have lesser standard so that their school can meet government requirements about failure rates. No reason to blame teachers.

Get government out of education.

20 posted on 06/20/2003 7:31:57 AM PDT by Principled
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