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Mother defends breastfeeding baby while driving (followup on idiot)
WKYC-TV/DT Cleveland ^ | 6.17.03 | Vic Gideon

Posted on 06/19/2003 7:36:03 PM PDT by mhking

Edited on 06/23/2003 2:48:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Mother defends breastfeeding baby while driving

Reported by Vic Gideon
POSTED: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:06:15 PM
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:20:52 PM

PORTAGE COUNTY -- A mother traveling from Detroit to Pittsburgh got into trouble in Portage County while trying to drive and breastfeed her baby at the same time.

Twenty-nine-year-old Catherine Donkers had fed the baby before she left Detroit but said her seven-month-old daughter was hungry again.

"I knew I was doing nothing wrong when I was breastfeeding her," Donkers said.

Donkers doesn't consider her actions excessively dangerous.

"I think there are lots of things we do when we put ourselves at risk, just by the very fact that I'm in a car and there's lots of car accidents every single day," she said. "I think it would be reasonable to say even that's a danger."

A truck driver apparently saw it as a danger and called the highway patrol. But Donkers wouldn't pull over for police until she got to a tollbooth.

"I've directed her to, that when she doesn't feel safe, she goes to a public place," said her husband, Brad Barnhill.

At the tollbooth, Donkers didn't give the trooper a driver's license. She instead pulled out an affidavit as identification and got cited for not having a license.

The couple also claims she did nothing wrong, saying Michigan law has an exemption to its child restraint law for nursing mothers.

They claim that since the turnpike is an interstate, drivers can follow the laws of their home state. But the highway patrol says that as long as the stop occurred in Ohio, they have to abide by Ohio laws.

The couple has done extensive research on the law and believes in a strict adherence to them. Donkers is facing child endangering and child seat violations among other charges. Her and her husband say they plan to fight all charges and will file a counter suit.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: badparent; breastfeeding; childendangerment; childsafety; donkers; donkersisbonkers; driving; drivingwhilefeeding; goneinaninstant; idiot; justplainnuts; kook; motherhood; nocommonsense; nolawlicense; roadsafety; unlicenseddriver; vehiclesafety
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To: RMDupree
Tell me something. How is "instinct" going to keep your baby from being smashed between your body and the steering wheel when someone cuts you off?

Im not defending the fact that this woman, Im defending her right to do dumb things with no intention of malice. As far as protecting the baby from the steering wheel should someone cut her off, How about safe distance allowing you to use the STEERING wheel to avoid collision? In the scenario that You called ridiculous the mother could not have the advantage of allowing safe distance as there is only so much distance between mama and the ground. And whats the difference between being smashed between mama and the Wheel or mama and the ground?

281 posted on 06/20/2003 2:00:18 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Howlin
Thanks -- I'm still trying to get through all of this.
282 posted on 06/20/2003 2:01:45 PM PDT by scott7278
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To: Howlin
I wonder how he feels about fringe on the flag?
283 posted on 06/20/2003 2:02:26 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Howlin
We are now fully informed? None make mistakes? There is simply no tolerance for variance in our culture?

Should we ever venture out of the house for fear of this goblin or that hobgblin? Every breath is a risk. Could be an SARS spore in it. Best to stop breathing.

284 posted on 06/20/2003 2:03:00 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
One more time: was this woman's action the action a reasonably prudent individual would engage in?

YES or NO.

The only people who find that question difficult to answer are those who aren't reasonably prudent. A case can be made that those individuals shouldn't be allowed to operate a multi-ton vehicle at high speeds.

285 posted on 06/20/2003 2:03:26 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: RMDupree
I cannot believe people are trying to justify this woman's blatant stupidity!

Im not trying to defend her stupidity, Im trying to point out that We cant outlaw stupidity....that would be the ultimate stupidity

286 posted on 06/20/2003 2:03:34 PM PDT by mylife
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To: RMDupree
A goblin! I've seen children strewn in so meny pieces ten blankets wouln't cover them. But so what? A rotten and terrible image -- Let us ban everything!
287 posted on 06/20/2003 2:05:37 PM PDT by bvw
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To: mylife
Im defending her right to do dumb things with no intention of malice.

And that is one of the primary differences between Constamatooshinalists and the sane - we don't like to see the lives of others endangered through the sort of stupidity that these people seem to embrace and revel in.

288 posted on 06/20/2003 2:06:25 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: mylife
Im not defending the fact that this woman, Im defending her right to do dumb things with no intention of malice.

Hey, no problem--as long as said dumb things don't raise the prospect of harm to others.

289 posted on 06/20/2003 2:08:14 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: mhking

290 posted on 06/20/2003 2:09:41 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: RgnadKzin
Do you have a voter registration card?
291 posted on 06/20/2003 2:11:18 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RgnadKzin
"As for paying taxes for which I am not liable, you should remember that Christ did not say: Render unto Caesar that which is NOT Caesar's."

Romans 13:1-2, 5-7: "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves...Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake. For because of this, you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor" (NASB).

How do you deal with this passage, I humbly ask?

292 posted on 06/20/2003 2:11:33 PM PDT by scott7278
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To: scott7278
Good question. I am particularly interested in his answer to this part: ...whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God.
293 posted on 06/20/2003 2:15:36 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: scott7278
Simple. He just pretends that the tax code doesn't say what it actually does say, and continues on his merry way.
294 posted on 06/20/2003 2:15:37 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Poohbah
Im not defending the fact that this woman, Im defending her right to do dumb things with no intention of malice. ARGGGggggg I need a proof reader!
295 posted on 06/20/2003 2:15:47 PM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife
I understood your point clearly enough.

My point is that one's right to do dumb things ends when one risks harming others. IMNHO, stupidity becomes malicious at that point.
296 posted on 06/20/2003 2:17:35 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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To: Poohbah
She is an adult, a free adult capable of making the necessary judgement of an adult. I will not second guess her adult decision. Her car was well controlled while she drove. No injuries, no accidents happened. In my view there is thus no cause for action against her. And there is no cause for presumption about this or that behaviour being dangerous -- for the outcome was her car was driven normally withour any harms.
297 posted on 06/20/2003 2:17:37 PM PDT by bvw
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To: scott7278
Let me guess. That admonition doesn't apply to Michigan residents?
298 posted on 06/20/2003 2:17:41 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Poohbah
I understood your point clearly enough. My point is that one's right to do dumb things ends when one risks harming others. IMNHO, stupidity becomes malicious at that point.

I understand your point but think that there is a world of difference between risk and malice.

299 posted on 06/20/2003 2:20:58 PM PDT by mylife
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To: bvw
She is an adult, a free adult capable of making the necessary judgement of an adult. I will not second guess her adult decision.

I cheerfully will.

Her car was well controlled while she drove. No injuries, no accidents happened.

You are conflating "she got extremely lucky" and "her car was well controlled."

Here's the bottom line: if someone's luck runs out...would you say "I'm not going to second-guess her adult decision," or are you going to say "hammer her," or are you going to run for cover and hope nobody notices the bone-headedness you've been spouting?

300 posted on 06/20/2003 2:21:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
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