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To: DoughtyOne
I don't have any discomfort with the idea that it should be illegal to canabalise some human lives for other human lives.


Where is the protection for anyone if some humans can decide that other humans are spare parts or slave labor or not deserving of protection and the government works to aide and protect the killers and slavers rather than the victims? Legitimate governments serve only to protect rights of all, not only those who are in power or in the majority or who have matured enough.

(BTW, the only successful animal experiments with cloned stem cells - from somatic cell nuclear transfer or SCNT - were in treating diabetic mice. The stem cells were not "embryonic" stem cells, however. The cloned embryos were implanted into a host mother, the embryo allowed to grow to maturity, and then killed in order to harvest the desired - adult - stem cells. For all that work, the researchers would have done better to find ways to use the patient's own adult stem cells, don't you agree?)
224 posted on 06/19/2003 4:05:04 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)
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To: hocndoc
To: DoughtyOne

I don't have any discomfort with the idea that it should be illegal to canabalise some human lives for other human lives.

If you have no discomfort stating that you don't mind condemning a person like Ronald Reagan to a slow process that will see him lose his mind and spend a decade or more in a world without communication or recognition, it's okay with me.  I would.  And if you would like to state that using using human embryo cells to cure him would be wrong, it's okay with me.  I wouldn't.

Where is the protection for anyone if some humans can decide that other humans are spare parts or slave labor or not deserving of protection and the government works to aide and protect the killers and slavers rather than the victims? Legitimate governments serve only to protect rights of all, not only those who are in power or in the majority or who have matured enough.

If you wish to state that human embryo cells rank equally with a fully grown man, it's okay with me.  I wouldn't.  Your side loves to throw around the canabalism/spare parts/slave labor/or not deserving of protection/killers and slavers words and phrases around.  All it does is make you look juvenile.

(BTW, the only successful animal experiments with cloned stem cells - from somatic cell nuclear transfer or SCNT - were in treating diabetic mice. The stem cells were not "embryonic" stem cells, however. The cloned embryos were implanted into a host mother, the embryo allowed to grow to maturity, and then killed in order to harvest the desired - adult - stem cells. For all that work, the researchers would have done better to find ways to use the patient's own adult stem cells, don't you agree?)

Well if I harbored your beliefs about life being life I sure wouldn't.  "...and then killed in order to..."  After all your colorful commentary, you don't see a conflict here?  What happened to your canabalism/spare parts/slave labor/or not deserving of protection/killers and slavers talk?

Yes I would rather see a patient's own adult stem cells used.

224 posted on 06/19/2003 4:05 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)

239 posted on 06/19/2003 5:07:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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