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Stuff like this gets pretty deep for me. Let's face it, the Hells Angels are a terrible source for information and such charges. While some or all of what is being stated may be true, how do you know?

These guys operate in the gray margins all the time. Their whole lives are spent transitioning from one screwed up situation to the next, their ability to think on their feet swindle and hoodwink the tools of the trade. One would almost think they had held public office in Washington, D.C. And that's the other problem.

You can't trust our elected offical either. Look at the known lies they allowed to transpire when testimony regarding the Waco fiasco took place.

One law enforcement offical stated there were no weapons in the helicopters at Waco. He was confronted on that issue. Finally he admitted there were automatic weapons in them, but that 'fixed' armaments weren't. Basicly the man lied his ass off, then scated without so much as a scolding.

Your post was interesting none the less.

Stuff like this gets pretty deep for me. Let's face it, the Hells Angels are a terrible source for information and such charges. While some or all of what is being stated may be true, how do you know?

Well, in this example, from the corroborating testimony of the BATF agent whistleblower who not only confirmed Barger's testimiony [Barger's out of custody now, BTW, and is now running an Arizona motorcycle shop] but expanded upon it. Note too the timing; at the time that happened John Caulfield and G. Gordon Liddy were both working for the Treasury in the BATF, before they became better known for their Watergate-related activities. And Barger very accurately described what would later be revealed to be very similar to the *Operation Gemstone* plan Liddy later proposed to Attorney General John Mitchell, an eventual convicted felon himaelf.

And in general, from my uncle, a 28-year veteran of the US Secret Service, who, when I was considering a federal law enforcement job and possible career, filled me in on the activities of the BATF [previously ATTU; Alcohol & Tobacco Tax Unit of the Treasury Dept.] particularly in Dallas on November 22 of 1963, and suggested I stay as far from that bunch as possible. If you think the FBI badmouths the BATF agents, you should hear what their [now former] fellow Treasury agents had to say about them.

Uncle Denny had a generally high opinion of the Postal Service and the uniformed officers of the Border Patrol, and for the technical expertise found among FAA investigators. But things have changed in those agencies over the last few years, too.

For more on former BATF agent Larry Shears and his testimony as to the BATF role in covert domestic political activity, see the transcript of Plans to kill Eldridge Cleaver and Cesar Chavez: Treasury Dept. ATF, Larry Shears, Dec. 17, 1971, 5:50 p.m., Channel 23, Los Angeles as reported in the New York Times, January 2, 1972.

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