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US Troops 'Used Excessive Force' At Fallujah Protest
Independent (UK) ^ | 6-18-2003 | Phil Reeves

Posted on 06/17/2003 5:34:45 PM PDT by blam

US troops 'used excessive force' at Fallujah protest

By Phil Reeves in Delhi
18 June 2003

The United States should hold a "full, independent and impartial" inquiry into the "apparent use of excessive force" by American troops who allegedly opened fire on a crowd of demonstrators in the Iraqi town of Fallujah, according to a report issued yesterday by Human Rights Watch.

As debate grows over the bungled aftermath of the invasion, the group also accuses US authorities of following a "recipe for disaster" by placing combat-ready soldiers in a volatile environment without adequate training, translators or crowd control devices.

The report's publication came as another US soldier was killed, this time by a sniper in Baghdad, bringing the number of American troops killed since the end of major combat operations to about 50. In a parallel development, guerrillas carried out drive-by shootings at several public buildings - including Fallujah's mayor's office and courthouse - a new stage of violence that seems to be an effort to deter Iraqi officials from co-operating with the US.

American military commanders have attempted to crush the increasingly organised resistance. They say they have conducted 69 raids and detained more than 400 people during a three-day operation in Baghdad and northern Iraq.

The bloodbath in Fallujah on 28 April - a large Sunni Muslim town 35 miles west of Baghdad which has become one of the centre of opposition to the US-British occupation - has been the subject of intense dispute.

Iraqi witnesses and hospital officials say 17 people were killed and up to 70 injured when US troops from the 82nd Airborne Division fired without provocation on an unarmed crowd of protesters outside a local school, which the army had taken over as a base.

The US military claim its soldiers were fired on by gunmen among the demonstrators, and from rooftops, and replied with "precision fire".

The 18-page findings by Human Rights Watch (HRW) challenges the American explanation, and highlights some crucial failings in their approach to the now increasingly messy occupation of Iraq.

It says its investigators "did not find conclusive evidence of bullet damage on the school where US soldiers were based". That confirms the findings of The Independent whose correspondents also examined the scene; it is in striking contrast to some media reports which described the school as "pocked with bullet holes".

HRW states the absence of such evidence places "into serious question" the Americans' assertion they had come under fire from individuals.

In contrast, the buildings across the street - in front of which the demonstrators were gathered - "had extensive evidence of multi-calibre bullet impacts that were wider and more sustained than would have been caused by the 'precision fire' with which the soldiers maintained they responded, leading to the civilian casualties that day". The report concludes: "Witness testimony and ballistic evidence suggest US troops responded with excessive force to a perceived threat." Two days later, the US military shot three more Iraqis in a crowd that was throwing rocks at an army convoy as it approached another US base at a former Baath party building in Fallujah. The Americans have asserted the convoy was fired on; HRW found "no clear evidence" of that, and suggests the US forces again responded with disproportionate force.

The HRW report does not wholly rule out the possibility that there were - as US military officials claim - "agents provocateurs" within the crowds who fired at the troops in both cases. But it points out ballistics evidence is inconclusive, and Iraqi witnesses unanimously say there was no shooting at the Americans.

But it says one conclusion is inescapable: "US military and political authorities who placed combat-ready soldiers in the highly volatile environment without law enforcement training, translators, and crowd control devices followed a recipe for disaster.

"They entered a town that had to some extent been traumatised by the air campaign, and they apparently had not adapted to the post-conflict role of policing, crowd-control and community relations."

It continues: "The 82nd Airborne ... lacked some of the key tools for an effective law enforcement mission."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: excessive; fallujah; force; guerrillas; troops; us

1 posted on 06/17/2003 5:34:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: Texaggie79
ping! :(
2 posted on 06/17/2003 5:38:20 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: blam
Wonder when they are going to investigate the Frogs or problems in the Congo.
3 posted on 06/17/2003 5:39:07 PM PDT by dts32041 ("The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.")
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To: blam
HRW found "no clear evidence" of that, and suggests the US forces again responded with disproportionate force.

Don't fire on them.

4 posted on 06/17/2003 5:39:25 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: blam
US troops 'used excessive force' at Fallujah protest

Good.

5 posted on 06/17/2003 5:49:34 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: dts32041
Wonder when they are going to investigate the Frogs or problems in the Congo.

Heh. Yeah. That'll happen.

6 posted on 06/17/2003 5:58:43 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: rickmichaels
...and from this episode, what lesson should the Baathists learn?
7 posted on 06/17/2003 6:00:16 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: blam
All the evidence points to the fact that the force used was NOT excessive...in fact --- it was INSUFFICIENT...

1. The city still exists.
2. There are still live sunni Islamists within that city.
3. There is still armed resistance, from citizens within that city..

When all the above is NOT the case....
Then SUFFICIENT will have been applied....

Semper Fi
8 posted on 06/17/2003 6:01:06 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: blam
"The 82nd Airborne ... lacked some of the key tools for an effective law enforcement mission."

Law enforcement is not the role of the 82nd Airborne.

9 posted on 06/17/2003 6:03:42 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: blam
If there are things we could have done better, we should be willing to look at this.

On the other hand, there is no doubt we used more restraint that Saddam would have used.
10 posted on 06/17/2003 6:04:31 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: blam
Ist, the 82nd airbourne isn't a police force. Second this little craphole has been one of the most active areas for resistance Sadamites. If I were in charge this turd of a place and its inhabitants would be charred. End of American problem and another lesson to be learned by the Baathists and their ilk.
One American soldiers death is more than this place deserves.
11 posted on 06/17/2003 6:17:43 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: blam
Oh go blow it out your nose!
12 posted on 06/17/2003 6:18:43 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: blam
US Troops 'Used Excessive Force' At Fallujah Protest

"Out here, due process is a bullet!"

-- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"

13 posted on 06/17/2003 6:21:57 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Joe Boucher
Mega Dittoes....couldn't agree with you more.
14 posted on 06/17/2003 6:22:23 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
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To: blam
. . . the group also accuses US authorities of following a "recipe for disaster" by placing combat-ready soldiers in a volatile environment without adequate . . . crowd control devices.

Bullets are great crowd control devices. Especially for the kind of crowds that gather in Fallujah.

15 posted on 06/17/2003 6:25:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: blam
Dear Human Rights Watch:

Thank you so much for your input. To show our gratitude for your fine work, we are willing to fly all of you to the Congo. I understand that your skills are "gravely" needed.

16 posted on 06/17/2003 6:32:54 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: rickmichaels
Pardon me for being one who doesn't give a squat how much force the United States Armed Forces use on Iraqis. They lost and they ought to quit fighting. There is no excuse for their sniping and ambushing and as many as have to be killed can be. International bleeding hearts can just jack off as far as I am concerned: useless bunch of bitchers and groaners anyway and very selective about whom they bitch and groan.
17 posted on 06/17/2003 7:02:52 PM PDT by mathurine
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