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1 posted on 06/16/2003 3:21:35 PM PDT by webber
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Here is a follow up on the story. It seems the court date has been postponed indefinitely. The Massanazis are probably confused about what to do next:

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/local_regional/walt_bryants06162003.htm
66 posted on 06/16/2003 6:35:45 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: webber
Some serious phone calls to make on this one for sure!!!!

That action taken by those bureaucrats is the exact practice taken by the Nazi's in the 1930's when German children were taken from their parents and forced by the State to attend government schools.

In America we have the right to homeschool our children by invoking the First Amendment as a legal basis for refusing to send one's child to a government school that despises Jesus Christ. Public schools are mental institutions designed to make one's child mentally, and soulfully ill.
90 posted on 06/16/2003 8:59:51 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: webber
Maybe the parents should make a deal with the school...you can test our kids if we can test your teachers.
93 posted on 06/16/2003 9:23:33 PM PDT by Travelgirl
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To: webber
I don't blame them: Some 4,800 Mass. students fail exit exams in first year
95 posted on 06/16/2003 9:42:33 PM PDT by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: TxBec
ping.
105 posted on 06/17/2003 2:57:42 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: webber
I would think that Massachusetts is running afoul of the federal "adoption and safe families act," which tries to encourage reunification.

As a general rule, unless a court is shown "imminent risk" to a child's health or welfare, a child should not be removed from the home.
107 posted on 06/17/2003 5:02:45 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: webber
So you're saying I should't call Susan Etscovitz at (781) 641-8500, but if I did call Susan Etscovitz at (781) 641-8500 I should not use foul language. OK. I will give some thought to calling Susan Etscovitz at (781) 641-8500.
110 posted on 06/17/2003 5:33:11 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: webber
I think it would really bug her if a lot of people called (781) 641-8500, so please, please don't rattle her cage, OK? That number not to call again to reach Susan Etscovitz is (781) 641-8500. That's (781) 641-8500. (You could also fax her at 781-648-6909.)
I've been saying for awhile that the best way to deal with overofficious government agents (and the CPS types are among the worst) is to post their names, pictures, addresses, home phone numbers...stuff like that.

-Eric

113 posted on 06/17/2003 6:19:48 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: webber
If I were homeschooling I would ask Dr. Susan Parrella in a public forum to provide me with a copy of the schools guidelines on socialist brainwashing so that I may homeschool my children to their standards. Only then would I have them take the test because I would be able to discern the answers and the goals they were trying to achieve.
125 posted on 06/17/2003 7:42:37 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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Arrested!!...Thrown in jail!!...Like a criminal!!...For taking personal responsibility for the education of HIS kids.

Note that under socialism, refusniks are criminals.

128 posted on 06/17/2003 7:44:45 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: webber
DSS trooper Susan Etscovitz

DSS or just plain ole' SS Trooper?!!!

<sarcasm> Don't you just love tolerant liberalism? </sarcasm>

129 posted on 06/17/2003 7:49:10 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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Mass has to "approve" your homeschool. They are very highly regulated.

http://www.hslda.org/laws/analysis/MA.asp

MASSACHUSETTS
Updated August 2002

Compulsory Attendance Ages: 6 by December 31 of that school year to 16 years of age. Mass. Regs. Code tit. 603, § 8.02. Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 76, § 1.
Required Days of Instruction: None required, but school districts will use the public school's required number of days and hours of instruction time for purposes of comparison, i.e., 180 days; 900 hours at the elementary level and 990 hours at the secondary level. Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 71, §§ 1, 4; Mass. Regs. Code tit. 603, § 27.03 and .04.
Required Subjects: Reading, writing, English language and grammar, geography, arithmetic, drawing, music, history and constitution of United States, duties of citizenship, health (including CPR), physical education, and good behavior. Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 71, § 1.

Home School Statute: None.

Alternative Statutes Allowing for Home Schools: Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 76, § 1. A "child who is otherwise being instructed in a manner approved in advance by the superintendent or the school committee."

1. A Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts case, Care and Protection of Charles, 399 Mass. 324, 333 34, 504 N.E.2d 592, 598-99 (1987), ruled that parents have a right to educate their children at home, but it must be reconciled with the state interest in the education of its citizenry. According to Care and Protection of Charles, the school committee must give parents an opportunity to explain their home school plan and present witnesses on their behalf. The school has the right to inquire in four areas (this information should be included in a home schooler's initial letter to the school district):

# The school committee may examine the competency of the parents to teach their children, but may not require certification, advanced degrees or college degrees.

# The school committee must have access to textbooks and lesson plans, but "only to determine the types of subjects to be taught and the grade level of the instruction for comparison purposes with the curriculum of the public schools." The school committee or superintendent may "not dictate the manner in which the subjects will be taught." 504 N.E.2d at p. 602.

# Also, information on the number of hours and days (180) of instruction may be requested.

# The school committee may require periodic standardized testing; the school authorities may decide where and with what test testing will be done, "in consultation with the parents." Other means of evaluating the progress of the children, such as progress reports or home visits, may be substituted for the formal testing process, but only "subject to the approval of the parents." 504 N.E.2d at pp. 601 02.

Home visits are unconstitutional if imposed against the parent's objection. HSLDA challenged a school district's policy mandating home visits. As a result, the Supreme Judicial Court ruled that "the school committee ... cannot, in the absence of consent, require home visits, as a condition to the approval of home education plans." Brunelle v. Lynn Public Schools, 428 Mass. 512, 702 N.E.2d 1182 (1998). The court also ruled that "the approval of the home school proposal must not be conditioned on requirements that are not essential to the state interest in assuring that all children be educated." Home visits are not essential.

2. In the Matter of Johnna M. Searles, No. 9037CH0017, District Court of the Amesbury Division, Sept. 4, 1990, the Court considered the school district's "request that the [home schooled] child be ordered to enroll in the … public schools pending the approval of a home education program." Slip Op. at p. 2 3. The Court agreed with HSLDA and ruled the child did not have to be in public school while waiting for the school district to approve the home school and that "the interests of all parents are best served if they proceed expeditiously in a serious effort to resolve the matter by agreement." Slip Op. at p. 3 4. The Court also remarked if an order to put children in school was to be obtained, the school district would first have to prove children were not receiving regular and thorough instruction. p. 4.

3. If a home school is rejected after seeking approval, the burden of proof shifts to the school authorities to show that the proposed home school instruction fails to equal "in thoroughness and efficiency, and in the progress made therein, that in the public schools in the same town." Charles, at p. 601. Home education is a "right protected by the Fourteenth Amendment." (p. 598). The object of the statute is "that all children shall be educated, not that they shall be educated in any particular way." (p. 600).

4. Nearly each one of the 481 school districts has different rules for home schools, demonstrating the vagueness of the law.

5. "School committees shall approve a private school when satisfied that the instruction in all the studies required by law equals in thoroughness and efficiency, and in the progress made therein, that in the public schools in the same town, but shall not withhold such approval on account of religious teaching…." Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 76, § 1

Teacher Qualifications: None.

Standardized Tests: Parents have two choices (according to the Charles case--see 1(d) above): 1) A parent could submit standardized test results (school officials may insist that a neutral third party administer the test); or, 2) Parents could submit an alternative form of assessment. This typically consists of progress reports, dated work samples, portfolio review, assessment by a certified teacher of the parent's choice.
133 posted on 06/17/2003 8:04:31 AM PDT by tutstar
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Massachusetts is a study in contrasts:

While the state is persecuting these people about taking the MCAS tests, a goodly number of high school students and teachers are SUING the state to rescind the requirement in order to graduate.

Even better, several districts are issuing "certificates of achievement" to students that fail the MCAS, rendering it irrelevant.

Funniest thing: the invitation to the University of Massachusetts had the word Massachusetts spelled incorrectly. So much for tests.

138 posted on 06/17/2003 8:35:24 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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An unfortunate extrapolation of this might be that the Mass. DSS will assume the right to gain guardianship of any student that flunks the MCAS. How is this different? Would not the parents in the case of a failing student be as responsible for that failure and subject to loss of custody of their children? Is not failing the test considerably worse than not taking it at all? Should people that graduated without taking the MCAS be tested to see if they really graduated, and if not, become wards of the state?

Food for thought. Welcome to the People's Republic of Massachusetts.

140 posted on 06/17/2003 8:49:55 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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Come to think of it, what do we do to teachers that cannot pass the MCAS?
142 posted on 06/17/2003 8:52:42 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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Seven years...

Why didn't they move?

-- lates
-- jrawk
145 posted on 06/17/2003 9:23:58 AM PDT by jrawk
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To: webber
This is very chilling indeed...especially when you look at the amount of gun control laws this state has. Adolf Hitler would be proud.
153 posted on 06/17/2003 10:45:59 AM PDT by democrats_nightmare
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bump
156 posted on 06/17/2003 11:10:26 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rob: I see a five letter word, F-R-E-E-P. Freep. Jerry: Freep? What's that? -Dick Van Dyke Show)
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To: webber
Looks like their "DSS" outfit could just drop the "D" and nobody would notice, eh?
157 posted on 06/17/2003 11:17:39 AM PDT by Redbob
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Heh! Sounds like a plan!
166 posted on 06/17/2003 1:34:18 PM PDT by sauropod (Watch out for low flying brooms! The Witch has left the Wal-Mart)
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