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To: Dr. Frank
No one's commented on the most salient fact of this article, which is that many women today "won't tolerate" this.

It's not that I personally don't tolerate it, I just frankly don't understand his behavior.

Women expect a man to show sexual interest, and traditionally it's her choice to say yes or no. At one time the "brakes" were entirely in the woman's hands.

I keep thinking about the woman he dated who was fine with celibacy until marriage, but when all she wanted was a tiny hint she wasn't wasting her time with him while her fertility slipped away like sands through the hourglass, he found he "couldn't help her".

If he doesn't at least ACT like he's dying to have sex with her one day, how is the woman to know he isn't just looking for a mommy instead of a real wife?

I respect his decision not to be promiscuous, but it sound like somewhere along the way it turned into an ego/control thing. He's seeing a woman who only wants to know if HE is the one she should be saving it for, and if they will be married sometime this century, and he can't even help her out with a clue. Not very kind. Or manly, IMO.

20 posted on 06/15/2003 11:12:23 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: sauropod
So you tell me---is he really committed to celibacy, or is he actually asexual and he just wants someone to cook for him? :D
26 posted on 06/15/2003 11:23:08 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
If he doesn't at least ACT like he's dying to have sex with her one day, how is the woman to know he isn't just looking for a mommy instead of a real wife?

LOL. You make some great points.

51 posted on 06/15/2003 11:46:42 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: hellinahandcart
If doing it for control purposes, he is using celibacy immorally.

It sounded to me like she wanted him to say he was going to marry her after 6 months.....6 months. If it was really just a "tiny little hint," then I would agree he messed up, but it sounds like it was more than just a hint.
76 posted on 06/15/2003 11:58:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: hellinahandcart
I think you're reading too much into the article. He said the woman he was dating for six months wanted a committment. To me that means she wanted a ring or the promise of one. I see nothing wrong with him wanting to know her longer than six months before making a committment.

Yes, women expect men to show a sexual interest. The article never said he had no sexual interest, nor that he didn't express affection or love, just that he did not sleep with his girlfriends.

As a woman, I'd be thrilled with a man who made that choice. And, yes, I'd still be thrilled six months later even if I didn't have a ring. I applaud his decision and based on many of the comments on this thread, I'd say it's obvious why he's "still" not married at 33. Even FreeRepublic has many women not worthy of him.

77 posted on 06/15/2003 11:59:11 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: hellinahandcart
I find some agreement with what you said. He's right about it being a very serious thing to do, but it almost seems as though he thinks it is a bad thing and that he doesn't ever want to have sex. This is not what waiting for marriage is about--when you are "waiting for marriage", you are obviously still looking forward to sex.
345 posted on 06/15/2003 9:25:44 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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