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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: L.N. Smithee
I really don't think I would say that Oprah is self absorbed. I haven't watched her tv show in years, but I get a little miffed at the fact that she tries to do the right thing and everyone(tabloids)trash her. Imo, she's a good person.
321 posted on 06/15/2003 6:24:05 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Mister Magoo
I wonder if this guy still lives with his mother
322 posted on 06/15/2003 6:30:03 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: strela
"Then, I started reading the Annika Sorenstam threads and the scales fell from my eyes."

Reminds me.. the other night my quite liberal girlfriend was reading a book by Germaine Greer and she read me a part of it.. something about how "Most women are not aware of how much men hate them".

At first I denied it, but then I thought about it.. might have some truth to it.

323 posted on 06/15/2003 6:30:44 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: L.N. Smithee
Why "non-marriage"? Why not marriage? I ain't a shrink, but to me, it's common sense: If people who claim they are dedicated to each other refuse to make it official, they are afraid of how the official designation will change either their bedmate or themselves.

I'm talking mainly about people who have been in previous marriages, especially those of us who still have children at home. Why can't you understand that some folks want to enjoy the company of another person without the tax and legal problems? Well those are just a start of the potential problems. If a mature couple wants to have a relationship, then what kind of problem could you have with that?

324 posted on 06/15/2003 6:36:46 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I am in the same boat you are in....
No kids (nor will there ever be)...

And while I enjoyed the physical and emotional intimacies of marriage,
And I loved my husband, and was faithful....

I also learned that I absolutely SUCKED at marriage...
Not everyone is cut out to live 24/7 under the same roof with another person. For some it is settling, for me it was chaos.

I am the first to admit that while most people can handle constant closeness, it nearly drove me mad. I grew and matured a great deal in the process, I know how far I have come. But it ain't far enough for marriage. Bottom line is I am a loner to the point of autism at times. Family and close friends understand. Spouses tend to get a bit grumpy about left alone for prolonged periods.

So, with my genetics, I could easily live 50 more years,
And I am pretty sure I will live them alone, which is fine by me. But it would be nice to have someone to share time (and a physical relationship) within the scope that I am capable of sharing. I just couldn't live with them. And not end up with my picture on the post office wall.
325 posted on 06/15/2003 6:38:30 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: BenR2
Just where exactly does it say that?
He could have been a widower, or even have just left a nagging wife at home.

/////
And you could have offered an intelligent reply.

Once more.
Just where exactly does it say that?
WELL, Big Mouth?

So9

326 posted on 06/15/2003 6:39:31 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can Do anything we damned well please.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Oh yeah,
And there is the whole money/property/land thing that would require the pre-nup from hell.
327 posted on 06/15/2003 6:40:59 PM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: supercat
I'm so sorry you lost your wife -- my condolences.
328 posted on 06/15/2003 6:42:26 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Hildy
"Are you saying that after six months you know someone well enough to get married? Uh uh."

Not necessarily. But again, what is the guy playing at when he "dates" a woman for six months and seems confounded by her expectation of the possibility of marriage? If he wants sexless companionship then he needs to make friendships with women, which don't include romantic evenings of wining and dining.

That's called courtship.

329 posted on 06/15/2003 6:44:52 PM PDT by avenir
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To: TheSpottedOwl
You must've missed Oprah's self-love preaching, anti-Americanism, socialism, psycho babble as of late.
330 posted on 06/15/2003 6:50:24 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Mister Magoo
I agree.

The whole point of getting some is that you earn back some of your investment in the date.

If I were going out with a woman I knew was doing this, you can bet I'd be trying to get her to pick up the whole check, and, failing that, half.

If neither of those worked, she could get ready for a fun night at burger king.
331 posted on 06/15/2003 6:50:57 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ~EagleNebula~
Of course it's expected.

It sure as hell goes away once you get married- might as well take advantage of one of the few times you can say "put out or get out."
332 posted on 06/15/2003 6:53:43 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. So you're confusing "lest" with "unless" or you think they're being a hypocrite?
333 posted on 06/15/2003 7:05:41 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: hellinahandcart
My mother's second husband "waited" till they were married. Then he waited some more. Turns out he was gay and in denial. After that, my mom was a little jaded. "Never buy a car without a test drive, honey," she'd say after a glass of wine or two.
334 posted on 06/15/2003 7:08:29 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: Qwerty
my quite liberal girlfriend was reading a book by Germaine Greer and she read me a part of it.. something about how "Most women are not aware of how much men hate them".

I'm not prepared to deny it, at least in a few (mercifully few) cases. Even ("he said ruefully ...") on FreeRepublic. And it works the other way as well; there are certainly some vicious, huevo-cracking, life-sucking harpies out there who hate anything in trousers. Boorish and rude behavior is practiced by both sexes, thanks very much.

335 posted on 06/15/2003 8:40:44 PM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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To: ~EagleNebula~
Hmmm. I wonder if God took that into consideration. /sarcasm/. I hear this excuse, even from guys who want a piece of me. To be looked at like a piece of meat to be tested I find revolting. (No, I am not that good looking.)

So from what you say, you and Mr. Washington seem eminently compatible. Go for it! You'll have all the advantages of marriage (tax deductions, more friends, etc.) with none of that ee-vil sex stuff.

336 posted on 06/15/2003 8:55:16 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: najida
But it would be nice to have someone to share time (and a physical relationship) within the scope that I am capable of sharing. I just couldn't live with them. And not end up with my picture on the post office wall.

What you need is a traveling salesman or a truck driver ;) Bi-coastal or even bi-national relationships are successfully practiced every day. One party is on the road/in the air a lot of the time while the other stays at home or works. You get together only on a sporadic basis, which is what some people prefer (like my ex, for example).

Glad to hear that you've got good genetics. Mine are terrible - all the men in my family drop dead like clockwork from stroke at age 65. So, I'll be posting here for a little more than 20 years, and its pouf he was gone ...

337 posted on 06/15/2003 8:57:44 PM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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To: A_perfect_lady
One of my aunts "waited" until her sweetheart insisted they elope one fine day in the 1950s. And then she also waited some more. It was pretty easy to get the marriage annulled later, since it was never consummated.

What my aunt's first 'husband' was really looking for back then, is called a "beard" these days.
338 posted on 06/15/2003 9:03:00 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: BlazingArizona
ROFLMBO

You hit my funny bone!! You are so cute!!

Are you referring to Passionate Love as "eevil sex"?? :-P

339 posted on 06/15/2003 9:10:50 PM PDT by ~EagleNebula~
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To: Mister Magoo
Well, there's nothing wrong with the "being celibate" part in of itself...but the fact he's been dating for 10 years and is not yet married indicates something is wrong.
340 posted on 06/15/2003 9:17:58 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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