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Apocalypse Now
The Guardian (UK) ^ | June 12, 2003 | Guardian (UK) Book Review

Posted on 06/12/2003 9:19:55 PM PDT by NH Liberty

Apocalypse Now

Armageddon is hot in America. With a majority of US citizens believing we are witnessing the end of the world, publishers have been quick to fill bookstores with novels alerting us to the imminent apocalypse. In the latest exclusive online essay from the London Review of Books, John Sutherland explores the phenomenon of endtimes fiction and the work of two of the undisputed champions of this booming Christian genre

(Excerpt) Read more at books.guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bible; bush; christian; conservative; endtimes; eschatology; futurist; jenkins; jerryfalwell; lahaye; leftbehind; millerites; ralphreed; rapture; revelation
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Yet another secular socialist from The Guardian tries to comment on Biblical Christianity.

The writer begins with a decent assessment of the Left Behind fiction series. But, about two-thirds into the article, the writer begins to foam and hiss as he switches his commentary away from the book series and toward Christians and Conservatives ("fanatically pro-life Ralph Reed," etc.). The blatant inaccuracies in so much of his commentary would be hilarious if it were not so obvious that this writer actually believes his own stereotypical rantings about Christian Conservatives.

(Would somebody please "ping" the Christian list with this one, and/or direct me how to do it myself? Thanks.)

1 posted on 06/12/2003 9:19:55 PM PDT by NH Liberty
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To: NH Liberty
There have never in history been worse written books that sold as many copies as the Left Behind series.

Absolutely atrociously bad writing.

You might like the message, but the writing is AWFUL.

2 posted on 06/12/2003 9:35:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
"http://books.guardian.co.uk/lrb/articles/0,6109,975892,00.html"

But, Travis, my point was not to comment on the book series, but on this secular socialist from The Guardian who became nearly irrational after switching the subject from the books to Christian Conservatives as people.

3 posted on 06/12/2003 9:45:39 PM PDT by NH Liberty
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To: NH Liberty
"You might like the message, but the writing is AWFUL."

But, Travis, my point was not to comment on the book series, but on this secular socialist from The Guardian who became nearly irrational after switching the subject from the books to Christian Conservatives as people.

4 posted on 06/12/2003 9:48:11 PM PDT by NH Liberty
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To: NH Liberty; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices; pubmom; LeeMcCoy; Mr. Silverback; annyokie
The endtimes themselves will begin with the rapture, which, unlike other apocalyptic events, will be 'signless' - unannounced. Guiltless children (even those in the process of being aborted) and the Christian-minded will be instantaneously teleported into heaven. For the remnant (some of whom, although not the abortionists, can still be saved) there will follow seven years of tribulation. During this period of pestilence, conflict and global catastrophe, the Antichrist will come to power

Personally I think the poor man has something against pro-life folks as well as a hangup on the Rapture

5 posted on 06/12/2003 9:56:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
"Personally I think the poor man has something against pro-life folks as well as a hangup on the Rapture "

Yes, I noticed those "digs" that you highlighted, and I agree with you.

BTW, do you know how to "ping" lists? I'd like to learn how to ping the Christian list.

6 posted on 06/12/2003 10:09:37 PM PDT by NH Liberty
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To: NH Liberty
you might be surprised to find out just how large a percentage of Christian Evangelists in SE Asia are using the Apocolypse and Armageddon approaching as tools to scare people into converting right now, I ran across quite a few of them in 1994-2002 in Thailand. Can't say as I agree with this approach and belief, things are gonna come, been hearin doomsayers all my life
7 posted on 06/12/2003 10:29:06 PM PDT by rontorr (It's only my opinion, but I am RIGHT)
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To: Travis McGee
You might like the message, but the writing is AWFUL.

Yes, but wasn't it fun watching those books continue to make the best seller lists. The arts and croisant crowd must have been apoplectic.

8 posted on 06/12/2003 10:31:15 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Wait until well-written conservative fiction debuts.

Hint.

9 posted on 06/12/2003 10:34:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: NH Liberty
I have no problem with that, I agree with it. I just want to see how they will react to a really well-written conervative novel with compelling, believable characters.
10 posted on 06/12/2003 10:39:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Get "Armageddon or Else" written and we'll see.
11 posted on 06/12/2003 10:50:55 PM PDT by per loin
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To: billbears
Personally I think the poor man has something against pro-life folks

Anti-life usually does.

12 posted on 06/12/2003 10:52:51 PM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Travis McGee
I 'm glad someone else has the veracity to speak the truth. Modern Christian fiction is awful. The novels by Frank Peretti (This Present Darkness) were embarrassing. I tried to read them, but just couldn't get past the didacticism.

I decided not to attempt any of the LaHaye series for that reason.

Does your novel have a spiritual component in addition to the conservative worldview ? It's difficult, in my mind, to have one without the other.

13 posted on 06/13/2003 3:25:17 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: NH Liberty
The worlds ends -- when they die -- for tens of thousands of people every day. What's the big deal then about the end of the world?
14 posted on 06/13/2003 4:09:48 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: NH Liberty; Travis McGee
Before I comment, let me make myself absolutely clear:

I believe in the complete inerrancy of the divinely-inspired Scriptures.

I believe that the prophecies of Revelation will be fulfilled.

But

(1) Christian literature has become just as inferior in quality and intelligence as the worst Hollywood dreck. It is superior only insofar as it is not immoral.

(2) Dispensationalism is not synonymous with Christianity. The Darby/Scofield/Moody/Lindsey/LaHaye school of thought is simply that: an opinion.

Obsession with their theories has had an evil, evil effect on Christianity in this country.

I know people who could be doing a lot of good in their communities and spreading the Word to those who do not have Christ in their lives, yet they spend all their free time learning "bible codes", checking and rechecking predictions and trying to convince fellow believers that their religious opinions are mandatory.

As far as some people are concerned, sharing Christ with a Muslim is less important than sharing their lord and redeemer Scofield with a preterist.

15 posted on 06/13/2003 5:30:22 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: happygrl; NH Liberty; wideawake; per loin
The Dragon's Fury Series most definitely does have a spiritual component and has been written specifcally with that message in mind.

It is being written as an exciting, large canvas war story that will hopefully draw people in like a Clancy Novel...one that addresses many oif the major geo-political issues of the day. But the sub plots and underlying message is one of traditional Christian values and faith, and how those ingredients are indispensable in the ultimate triumph of good over evil.

It deals with issues from family values, to the second amendment to abortion and more from a constitutional, conservative Christian perspective.

Volume III was released in March and I will have Volume IV of the five part series completed for Christmas. Read some of the reviews at the link above, or on Amazon.

16 posted on 06/13/2003 5:50:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: wideawake
"I know people who could be doing a lot of good in their communities and spreading the Word to those who do not have Christ in their lives, yet they spend all their free time learning "bible codes", checking and rechecking predictions and trying to convince fellow believers that their religious opinions are mandatory."

Hi w -- The original reason for my post had nothing to do with the writing or theological accuracy of the Left Behind series; rather, it was intended to direct attention to the anti-Christian writing of the secular socialist who began the article telling the reader about the book series, but ended up foaming when he began to speak specifically about Christian Conservatives.

But since you mentioned it, it isn't quite clear how you arrived at likening Dispensationalism with "bible codes" and "checking and rechecking predictions." I know lots of sound dispensationalists (none of whom are into either of those things and, in fact, they sternly reject both bible codes and pseudo-prophets), and they also happen to be excellent witnesses for Christ.

How did you arrive at connecting all Dispensationalists with "bible code" folks? Just curious...

17 posted on 06/13/2003 6:29:51 AM PDT by NH Liberty
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To: NH Liberty
How did you arrive at connecting all Dispensationalists with "bible code" folks? Just curious . . .

If you could show me where I said all Dispensationalists are bible coders, I'd be much obliged.

18 posted on 06/13/2003 6:32:23 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: NH Liberty
it was intended to direct attention to the anti-Christian writing of the secular socialist who began the article telling the reader about the book series, but ended up foaming when he began to speak specifically about Christian Conservatives

Well, the author is obviously ignorant. He's trying to link the President and the Attorney General with most wild-eyed form of Dispensationalism as well as with the theonomist movement. That's his goal, and he's clearly trying to bend the facts to fit his theories.

19 posted on 06/13/2003 6:36:44 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: NH Liberty
Apocalypse Now
Great movie, Francis Ford Copolla's best.
20 posted on 06/13/2003 6:43:03 AM PDT by wjcsux
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