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Hate Speech
The Valley Advocate ^ | june 5, 2003 | Alan Bisbort

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by ummark

Hate Speech Now is not the time for quiet, well-thought rhetoric

by Alan Bisbort - June 5, 2003

PETER MORLOCK ILLUSTRATION

Problem! The problem is you, Peggy Noonan.

"Let them hate me, if they only fear me."-- Caligula

"Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you." -- Matthew, Chap. 5, Verses 44

In the best of times, I would agree with John Goggin, who wrote a letter to my editor last week about my habit of "labeling" a select cadre of right-wingers "hatemongers." I had in mind, when I chose that unfortunate epithet, people like Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge and Peggy Noonan. Mr. Goggin's well-meaning appeal to civility caused me to rethink my words. I was forced to ask myself if I had, indeed, overstated my case.

Then I did a little poking around. It's not hard. All you have to do is switch on any talk radio show and eventually one of these self-righteous "conservatives" will be found holding court, or simply flick through the hundreds of channels on cable TV where the more telegenic are regularly featured. Or those with a stronger cast of mind can check out the bestseller list where you'll find their words immortalized between covers, or comb the editorial pages of even "moderate" newspapers and you'll find them. Of course, the quickest way is via the Internet where, like insects and centipedes under an overturned rock, their rawest opinions are on display.

Here, for example, are some random thoughts I found on the popular Free Republic, "an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web." Free Republic posted an article about legislation proposed for a Slave Memorial in Washington, D.C. Among the barrage of nasty comments were: "Paradoxically, it's why slavery was RIGHT, in some weird sense. It's a condition of our existence, and in particular, a condition of black Americans' existence." Another: "Hell, what would it look like, a body swinging from a rope!" This is just the tip of their daily iceberg.

Michael Savage is a clear-cut "hater," and his book Savage Nation has floated through the bestseller list for months, held aloft by his lighter-than-air nativism, ignorance and intolerance. Like Rush Limbaugh, Savage hides behind his pseudonymous persona (his real last name is Wiener), and his radio show is one of the most popular in the country right now. His shtick is to regularly refer to the world's poor nations as the "Turd World," and a typical retort to those who complain about his rhetoric is: "I'm more powerful than you are you little hateful nothings ... you represent nobody but the perverts that you hang around with and I'm warning you if you try to damage me any further with lies, be aware of something: that which you stoke shall come to burn you, the ashes of the fireplace will come and burn your own house down." He believes the U.S. is "being taken over by the freaks, the cripples, the perverts and the mental defectives."

Ann Coulter, Fairfield County's Own Femme Fatale, is a best-selling author and regular talking head on TV. She says:

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too." And: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

Rush Limbaugh is always reliable for one hate-bomb an hour. How about these recent tidbits? "There's only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons. Use them." Or "Why should blacks be heard? They're 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?" And so on, day in and day out, three hours a day.

Finally, I agree that including Peggy Noonan on the list was wrong. She's not a hatemonger. She's merely insane. But her loopy pronouncements are given a veneer of respectability by originating at the Wall Street Journal. And, her nonsense -- she regularly "channels" Ronald Reagan in her columns -- is used to prop up hateful policies (e.g., slashing social programs for poor kids in order to reward fat cat CEOs). If the measure of a civilized society is how it treats its most vulnerable citizens, Noonan's priorities (among which is pulling the plug on public education) are the sort that inspired Charles Dickens to write novels.

See how hard it is to keep from falling into their traps and habits of mind? The sad truth is that NOBODY LISTENS TO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK QUIETLY AND RATIONALLY. The dominant discourse in this nation right now is hateful, loud and relentless. You can not, and will not, be heard if you whisper into the teeth of this idiot wind.

I dearly wish it were possible to speak quietly and carry a big rhetorical stick, Mr. Goggin. I hope we can return to such a time in our nation's life. Now is not that time.


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1 posted on 06/11/2003 2:08:37 PM PDT by ummark
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To: ummark
This is what I have to live with here in the Happy Valley. I would love if someone could possibly find if his alledged quote from Free Republic ever existed. Is there some way to search? I personally believe he made it up in the midst of his hysteria.
2 posted on 06/11/2003 2:11:23 PM PDT by ummark
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To: ummark
So... what?

You thought idiots aren't getting enough circulation these days? You don't know how to spell "Volcanic, spinning-in-midair barf alert"?

Like, we've all walked through cow pastures and seen a thousand patties, but you think we need to see Just This One More?

I don't get why this is here.

Dan
3 posted on 06/11/2003 2:12:17 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ummark
Then I did a little poking around. It's not hard. All you have to do is switch on any talk radio show and eventually one of these self-righteous "conservatives" will be found holding court, or simply flick through the hundreds of channels on cable TV where the more telegenic are regularly featured. Or those with a stronger cast of mind can check out the bestseller list where you'll find their words immortalized between covers, or comb the editorial pages of even "moderate" newspapers and you'll find them. Of course, the quickest way is via the Internet where, like insects and centipedes under an overturned rock, their rawest opinions are on display.

For a guy going off about "hate", I'm just not feeling the love in that paragraph.

4 posted on 06/11/2003 2:14:53 PM PDT by Cable225
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To: mhking
Hell, what would it look like, a body swinging from a rope!

Ping! Your post from this thread made the news.

5 posted on 06/11/2003 2:16:32 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: ummark
Oy vey...the left is in a complete tailspin...

Pretty funny reading though. The more I read stuff like this, the happier it makes me. It just goes to show how little they understand us, and just how terrified they are of our growing influence and power.

I'm tickled...

6 posted on 06/11/2003 2:16:36 PM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: BibChr
Explanation in follow up post. Forgive me, I'm new to this.
7 posted on 06/11/2003 2:17:18 PM PDT by ummark
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To: ummark
NOBODY LISTENS TO PEOPLE WHO SPEAK QUIETLY AND RATIONALLY.

I'm sorry. I wasn't listening. What'd you say?

8 posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:19 PM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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To: Cable225
When liberals speak their mind, it is as if the Gods themselves are whispering the truths of the ages upon a mild summer breeze. When conservatives speak their mind, it is as if the gates of Hell have opened, and the winds of decay and rot pour upon the lands, whithering and destroying every living thing in its wake.

Just FYI. This is what liberals actually think, if "think" is the right word.
9 posted on 06/11/2003 2:19:37 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: dr_lew
Paradoxically, it's why slavery was RIGHT, in some weird sense. It WAS. It's a condition of our existence, and in particular, a condition of black American's existence.

Ping! Your post from this thread made the news.

10 posted on 06/11/2003 2:19:55 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: ummark
Total no-problem! Keep at it!

And yeah, as soon as I saw mine, I saw the explanation.

No harm, no foul, don't take it personally. This sort of column just ticks me off.

Dan
11 posted on 06/11/2003 2:20:26 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ummark
He takes quotes out of context and assigns them as evidence of hate. He is the hater. He hates conservatives, black, white, red or any other color of the rainbow.

Somebody should tell him that the guy who said that tree thing is an American who happens to have dark skin.

12 posted on 06/11/2003 2:23:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
I wonder what they'd say if they figured out that the body on a rope quip came from a black man? ;)

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13 posted on 06/11/2003 2:27:48 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Maybe you should let the author know that you wrote it!
14 posted on 06/11/2003 2:28:38 PM PDT by amused (Republicans for Sharpton!)
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To: ummark
"Liberalism is not a political ideology, it's a mental disorder." - Michael Savage
15 posted on 06/11/2003 2:28:53 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ummark
I would love if someone could possibly find if his alledged quote from Free Republic ever existed. Is there some way to search?

He probably read it on stormfront.org and miscredited it to FR.

Stormfront, National Alliance, Free Republic --we are all the same to these people.

16 posted on 06/11/2003 2:31:58 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: mhking
No surprise that he doesn't quote from your reasoned and well-written letter to Frist.

(BTW, I am originally from Mableton. Born at Cobb General Hospital on Austell Road, and graduated from South Cobb High School!)

17 posted on 06/11/2003 2:33:29 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: ummark
It would appear that Bisbort thinks it's OK to hate conservatives, which he really means ALL those who are not socialist-minded liberals, to wit:

http://www.apj.us/20030508Bisbort.html

Money statements from this open-minded, compassionate, non-hating liberal:

Pardon my French, but compassionate conservatism is a f$@#ing cancer.

Yes, Republican compassionate conservatism is a cancer. Like a cancer, compassionate conservative cells divide continuously and out of control, bubbling up into tumors created from their own sanctimoniousness, hypocrisy and unpleasantness (check out Cheney's and Ashcroft's facial expressions some time... but not after a good meal; these are two fine specimens of cancerous tumors taking the shape of human beings). Compassionate conservative cells, once they've established themselves in the body politic, metastasize and invade surrounding tissues and other parts of the body by -- according to my old biology textbook -- "actively secreting digestive enzymes to 'eat' their way toward a blood vessel... then some enter either the bloodstream or the lymphatic system..."

Yup. Those who advocate limited government and less taxes are a cancer, unlike saints such as Bisbort, who thinks compassion=advocacy for government programs. I seriously doubt this ninny even really understands any political issues to any depth at all, number of bylines credited to him notwithstanding. He just knows that socialism is good and since conservatives oppose it, they must be bad.

Funny. About 50% of the country is conservative, so this compassionate human being hates 140+ million people in the United States alone.

What a friggin' hero.

18 posted on 06/11/2003 2:35:39 PM PDT by Catalonia
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To: ummark
. The dominant discourse in this nation right now is hateful, loud and relentless.

I am just SOOOOOO glad that this honorable man didn't participate in that deplorable hatefulness. /sarcasm

19 posted on 06/11/2003 2:37:30 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Just FYI. This is what liberals actually think, if "think" is the right word.

In 1984, the official language of the state was "duckspeak", a babbling nonsense form generated at the larynx instead of the brain. The idea was if the thought process could be taken out of speech, then the masses would have no words to voice rebellion in.

This guy's almost got it down, 'cause there sure isn't any intelligent thought going on in this bleat.

20 posted on 06/11/2003 2:40:03 PM PDT by Cable225
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