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The Golan Solution - A Superhighway to Peace
Original discussions on FR and the Dragon's Fury Series | June 11, 2003 | Jeff Head

Posted on 06/11/2003 12:44:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head

The current roadmap to peace is fatally flawed. it expects of the Israelis in confronting terrorism what we would not expect of or tolerate ourselves.

It is time to apply the same principles to the Palestinian terrorists that we have allpied to Al Quida, the Taliban and ti the Ba'athists.


THE GOLAN PLAN
A SUPERHIGHWAY TO PEACE

The Palestinian people have until July 1st to turnover all terrorist organizers, participants and supporters to the IDF. This includes, but is not limited to, all mebers of Hamas, all members of the Islamic Jihad, all members of the PLO and all members of any other terrorist organizations as identifeid by the State of Israel who have taken credit for or otherwise been involved with terrorist attacks upon the nation of Israel.

After July 1st, the following conditions will apply for each and every terror attack by Palestinains, Arabs, Islamics radicals upon the state of Israel:

  1. Each time there is a terror attack, the borders for the Palestinian territories within Israel, including Gaza, will be moved inward by one Kilometer. This will not be an occiupation by Israel, it will be an annexation.

  2. Each time there is a terror attack the IDF will prosecute the specific perpetrators and planners of that attack with extreme prejudice wherever they seek refuge. Anyone harboring or supporting those individuals or the organizations they come from will be treated the same as the terrorists.

  3. It will be the ultimate responsibility of the Palestinian people to halt the Palestinian terror attacks. The shrinking of their borders will cease when the terror attacks cease.

  4. Once the terror attacks have ceased for a minimum of twelve months and once the above mentioned terror organizations and their members have been turned over to the IDF, Israel will seriously negotiate the creation of a Palestinian state in the remaining lands with elected leaders who are not members or affiliated with any of the above mentioned organization.

  5. If the terror attacks do not cease, then when the Palestinain lands are reduced to strips five kilometers wide, the remaining Palestinians will be forcibly deported to any Arab nation that agrees to take them, or to the coast of Lebannon if none shall volunteer.



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KEYWORDS: hamas; islamijihad; israel; palestinians; plo; roadmaptopeace; waronterror
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To: JohnGalt
Well, I still don't "get it." Perhaps I am dense, too.
21 posted on 06/11/2003 1:10:53 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I didn't say it was a good metaphor.

Anti-war conservatives and libertarians were called anti-Semites by hawkish poster ad nauseum on this forum. A few objected to the tone.

Those guns have now turned, apparently, on anyone who supports the Road Map, just as the anti-war Cs and Ls said they would. Next, those guns, now aimed at Powell, will turn towards Bush.
22 posted on 06/11/2003 1:15:57 PM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: TomGuy
Placating, negotiating, tolerating, and appeasing terrorism hasn't worked since 1948 (the re-establishment of Israel), and it won't work for the next 50 or 100 or 1000 years. You can't negotiate with terrorists; it just doesn't work.

It didn't work prior to 1948 either. Ask the Czech people about the Sudetenland, or the Austrian's about the Anschloss, and the terrorism and political assassination in both those countries by NAZI terrorists prior to both incidents. We are in very much the same position that England was prior to 1939. The difference is we aren't being led by Stanly Baldwin or Neville Chamberlain. The question is are we being led by Winston Churchill?

Make no mistake. If it meant the survival of England Churchill would have danced on a fine line over those situations, even being willing to sacrifice another nations' sovereignty for the sake of England's. In fact he did consider and in some ways advocate negotiating with Germany over the grievances that brought the NAZIs to power. In the end he concluded that sacrificing those people's liberty for supposed security was a losing proposition, on all levels.

I believe that Bush is balancing on a similar line right now. He is interested in holding off a world war. Not only will we be fighting the Islamists, but we'll also be fighting the remaining Communist dictators (Cuba, NK, etc.) as well as the generically anti-American forces, such as Brazil, France and Germany (with guns, without question), much of Africa, Asia and South America. We'll also be fighting (with guns, also without question), the hard core Democrats, DUers, Hollywood elite and their fellow travelers. They'll be joined by the Eric Rudolph "white might" fanatics (the enemy of my enemy, think of OKC) marching alongside the crips and the bloods and every other nut case that just sees a chance to screw those that they blame for their own pain and failures. I think he believes he's risking lives with some questionable tactics to possibly avoid the certain spending of lives in an all out conflict, which is surely the alternative.

If that's the case then I understand it, and am willing to give it some chance. I trust him and his team. Not a chance I'd trust almost anyone else.

23 posted on 06/11/2003 1:20:20 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: JohnGalt
I didn't say it was a good metaphor.

:-)

Anti-war conservatives and libertarians were called anti-Semites by hawkish poster ad nauseum on this forum.

Not by me.

24 posted on 06/11/2003 1:23:24 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Sorry to hear that. People should spend a lot more time in sincere, open and reasoned dialog before they make such judgements IMHO. Too often, the dialog preceding such pronouncements by those individuals is anything but reasoned and open.

Here, on this thread, hopefully we can avoid that.

Best regards my friend. Don't let the foolishness of others determine your mood.

25 posted on 06/11/2003 1:23:36 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
BTW, I love your plan!
26 posted on 06/11/2003 1:24:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Centurion2000; Sparta
At some point, when the blood runs deep enough, they will have to develop the stones to do things like this IMHO.

As long as this abject terror continues, Israel should not for a moment consider negotiating with these animals, any more than we would.

27 posted on 06/11/2003 1:24:53 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Howlin
I've already been called a Jew hater more than once today

you were?
Do what I do...stick your fingers in your ears, then go lalalalala really loud...

don't let them upset you...
28 posted on 06/11/2003 1:27:32 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Jeff Head
I agree with Israel's attack on the Hamas leader earlier this week: that is a logical anti-terrorism measure. However, I think the above 'superhighway' plan would just incite more terrorist attacks. The proposed strategy of land annexation would evict more Palestinians into refugee camps (a.k.a suicide bomber nurseries).
29 posted on 06/11/2003 1:27:49 PM PDT by KavanaghNY
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks for the ping. Good plan
30 posted on 06/11/2003 1:28:17 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: mvonfr
I believe the Israelis have to make it plain that if the terror continues, the Palestinain Territories will ultimately disappear.

If the terror stops and the animals and their infrastructure are turned over to the IDF, then and only then can serious negotiations start for a Palestinian state in what ever is left over.

if they don't stop and the terrorists aren't handed over, then Israeli settlements on the west bank will be a moot point after about 30 terror attacks.

31 posted on 06/11/2003 1:28:27 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: TomGuy
Amen.
32 posted on 06/11/2003 1:29:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: trebb
Steadily moving them back and seeing their space steadliy shrinking will do the trick ultimately one way or another.

They will either be moved to eliminate the terrorists and hasten the creation of their own state, or they will try and strike out at Israel, thus hastening their own demise.

33 posted on 06/11/2003 1:31:42 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: KavanaghNY
Unfortunately, until the Palestinian people themselves deal with the problem, it will continue regardless.

Years of experience has shown that placating, negotiating, and other olive branches are not working in the least. IMHO it's time for Israel to play hard, and this plan is something short of all out war, invasion and all of the utter carnage that would go with it.

This places the ball squarely in the Palestinian people's court, where it should be...where is should always have been. If, by either their continued support and allowance of terrorists within their midst they show themselves to be in large allied with terrorists...so be it. Treat them accordingly.

OTOH, if they rise up against the terrorists amongst them and dismantle and turn in that network, then the serious negotiations can begin and a true state created after enough time passes (a year or more) to ensure that it is real.

34 posted on 06/11/2003 1:38:45 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Works for me. Since there is no such thing as "Palestine" to begin with.

They're just arabs who lived in transjordan/historical Israel. Israel should "Just do it".
35 posted on 06/11/2003 1:39:29 PM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: Jeff Head
"Each time there is a terror attack, the borders for the Palestinian territories within Israel, including Gaza, will be moved inward by one Kilometer. This will not be an occiupation by Israel, it will be an annexation."

"Once the terror attacks have ceased for a minimum of twelve months and once the above mentioned terror organizations and their members have been turned over to the IDF, Israel will seriously negotiate the creation of a Palestinian state in the remaining lands with elected leaders who are not members or affiliated with any of the above mentioned organization."

Not that anyone, including yourself, would expect the Golan Solution to work, but this would have an effect almost as bad as the pals' stillborn 'right of return'.

36 posted on 06/11/2003 1:44:08 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy
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To: Ready4Freddy
Such a plan as this would force the issue. Either the people living in the territories themselves would stand up against terrorism and eradicate from amongst them, or they would steadily see their lands/territories shrink.

I am afraid at this stage that there is little prospect for another solution short of war.

Just my opinion, nothing more.

37 posted on 06/11/2003 1:47:11 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Stopislamnow
I always thought Jordan was "the" Palestinian state so to speak. Irrespective, there are the "territories" and they are filled with Palestinians and terrorists amongst them living within Israels borders.

That terrorist threat, so organized and so close to the Israeli population centers is intolerable. You do not remove the threat by placating it. The Israelis have to stand up to it and fight it hard, using all of the same logic we apply to the same terrorists who are threatening us. You can;t make peace with it, you have to eradicate it and its nesting grounds.

This plan gives the Palestinians a chance to do that themselves. If they cannot, or if they will not, then the threat within Israel's borders must be eliminated IMHO.

38 posted on 06/11/2003 1:51:25 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: BeforeISleep
Thank you. I am afraid it is too direct, straight forward, to the point and easy to understand for it to have much hope in the current global political situation...although it is exaclty the kind of direct approach we embarked on in Afghanistan and Iraq IMHO.
39 posted on 06/11/2003 1:53:23 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
It's even got a snappy name:

"Land for Terror."


40 posted on 06/11/2003 1:55:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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