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Comcast's two-tier pricing angers broadband-only customers
Mercury news/Yahoo ^ | 6/11/03 | Michael Bazeley,

Posted on 06/11/2003 10:35:00 AM PDT by Pro-Bush

Comcast's two-tier pricing angers broadband-only customers

Bay Area Web surfers who use Comcast for their Internet connection are finding they have to pay a premium if they do not also take the company's cable-television service.

Internet-only customers have seen their monthly bills jump from $46 a month to $60 recently. By contrast, cable modem (news - web sites) users who also buy cable-television service pay just $43 a month for Internet access.

Comcast says it is simply rewarding customers who bundle services. But Internet-only customers say they are being punished for not wanting or needing cable television.

"I feel taken advantage of," said Jill Singleton of Fremont, whose family does not own a TV. "Being able to have broadband is important to us, and it's not like we really have another choice."

Comcast announced the rate increase in December, shortly after the Philadelphia company acquired AT&T Broadband. Company spokesman Andrew Johnson said the company gave its customers ample notice about the rate change.

The new prices began to appear in customers' bills April 1; the specific date varies with their billing cycle.

"We're rewarding people who take more services from us," Johnson said. "Just like other companies. It's a tried-and-true concept."

Johnson would not say how many Bay Area customers take only cable-modem service, but the number is "very, very, very small," he said.

Natalie Munn of Fremont said she never heard about the increase and did not notice any change until Comcast debited her checking account in May.

Happy with satellite

Munn said she switched from cable TV to satellite years ago because of problems with her former cable provider, Viacom. She is happy with the satellite service, she said, and has no plans to switch back to cable.

"It's blatantly unfair," Munn said. "They're using their monopoly position to force people to subscribe to cable."

Johnson said that even with the price increase, broadband-only customers are still getting a good deal. He said Comcast's pricing is competitive with the only broadband alternative, digital subscriber line, or DSL.

Comcast's $60 cable-modem service, with download speeds of up to 1.5 megabytes per second, is comparable with an SBC Yahoo DSL package offered at $59.95, Johnson said. Comcast customers can save $3 a month if they provide their own cable modem.

"We still believe we have a superior product in value," Johnson said.

The two-tier pricing structure, which Comcast uses nationwide, has attracted the ire of consumer groups.

Consumers Union and the Consumer Federation of America have asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate what they called "anti-competitive" behavior. They are taking aim not at the higher-priced cable-modem service, but at the low-priced TV-Internet bundle.

Bundled pricing

The groups argue that Comcast's bundled pricing is so low -- less than $60 for both Internet access and basic cable TV -- that it amounts to giving away the cable-TV service for free. The goal, they said, is to "shrink the market" for DirecTV satellite television, Comcast's only real competitor in most markets.

"What they're doing, in my view, constitutes predatory pricing," said Chris Murray, legislative counsel for Consumers Union.

Murray said the bundle could be considered anti-consumer.

"If you're looking for a bundle, it's a great deal," he said. "But what about the person who only wants one service? For some people, this is the difference between being able to get broadband and not being able to get broadband."


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To: Space Wrangler
That's assuming the internal wiring isn't RG59 which may not work for satellite usage (it's loss characteristics for 950-1450MHz signals are rather poor)..

101 posted on 06/12/2003 6:58:56 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: Space Wrangler
Depends on where you live (note that cable rates are set by your local government, NOT the feds). Here, cable rates are close enough to what the rates for satellite are that I didn't think it to be worth the trouble.
102 posted on 06/12/2003 7:01:48 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: brianl703
Oh I'm sure it's more competetive in other markets. Here, we have ONE cable company (Charter), and they seemed to be trying to p!ss off their customer by passing down rate hikes every couple of months. At the time I ditched them, the 'cable plus digital' package was $68.55 a month with one digital cable box. Now, I get better quality, more channels on THREE TV's for right around $50. I'm much happier with it.

As for the wiring, if it's a newer house, or had the cabling run in the last 10 yrs it shouldn't be a problem. Mine works like a dream.

103 posted on 06/12/2003 7:10:41 AM PDT by Space Wrangler (Now I know what it's like washing windows when you know that there are pigeons on the roof...)
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To: Space Wrangler
I'm not familiar with Charter, but I know Adelphia is pretty bad.

The choice of cabling is usually up to the homebuilder. Since RG59 is usually cheaper than RG6, that is what gets installed.

Some cable companies have gone as far as to supply RG6 to homebuilders to use in place of the RG59 or other crap that they would have normally installed. My house (built in 1994) has quad-shield RG6 in it because the cable company supplied it to the builder.
104 posted on 06/12/2003 7:17:37 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: timm22
If you don't like the prices they charge, just don't use their service. You have no right to use government force to get prices or services that you want.

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read here.

I pay TAXES, A LOT of them. Yet I am not supposed to utilize the services that these Govt agencies were created to look into?

One of the poorest arguements I have ever heard.

Cheers,

knews hound

107 posted on 06/12/2003 7:34:13 AM PDT by knews_hound (Anyone else play Day of Defeat?)
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To: Pro-Bush
DSL and satellite are your friends. Comcast is anything but...
108 posted on 06/12/2003 7:35:10 AM PDT by mhking
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To: brianl703
"Please post the relevant parts of the Comcast TOS that prohibit using a router. "

I don't have it any more. I was relying on their technical service who had told me that was in the user agreement I had signed and prohibited using a network or connecting more than 1 computer.

Later when I got ready to order DSL for my business, I told them that I had a network and the salesman said it would be $65 for each computer. I told them that we had mobile computers and the number connected would change constantly. They said I would have to pay for each computer that could be connected. I asked specifically, didn't they have just a network connection and they said no.

So whether it's in the fine print of the legal agreement or not, that's two of their employees from different departments telling me the same thing.

109 posted on 06/12/2003 7:43:33 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: brianl703
Cable doesn't charge you a $5/month "box fee" for every TV you want to watch anything on, unlike the satellite companies.

Bull.

If you want digital cable on more than one TV, you pay $5/month for each additional cable box in the house, period. Comcast is not gonna leave that fee on the table - and they don't.

I was willing to give Comcast one last chance when I moved from the apartment. I had already made the decision to switch to DSL because of the fee issue with internet service.

But then came the straw that broke the camel's back. I moved into a brand new subdivision where Comcast hadn't had the foresight to talk to the developer. (this in a market where their image previously as GCTV, then MediaOne, then AT&T, now Comcast, was dismal at best) But rather than providing the more advantageous customer service of telling me when they would serve that new subdivision (smack in the middle of their territory), they said that once I got ten of my new neighbors to call them and request service, then they would do a site survey to see if they could even offer service to the subdivision.

I told the young lady on the phone that I wasn't going to do their job for them, and insisted that my service with them be terminated.

It was obvious that Comcast does not want my service, and I don't have a problem with not doing business with someone who doesn't want to do business with me.

I got my DirecTV system installed last week. And unless Comcast gets on the ball, they're gonna lose a much larger share of the Atlanta marketplace at the rate they're going.

And they have no one else but themselves to blame.

110 posted on 06/12/2003 7:44:26 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
You missed the implied point that you don't need a digital box for every TV. In fact, you don't need any box if all you want to watch on that TV is the unscrambled analog channels.

With satellite, you are screwed if you so much as want to watch ABC or CBS on another TV and don't have an activated box for it.

111 posted on 06/12/2003 8:21:35 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: mhking
And why are you blaming Comcast for what is obviously the fault of your developer?

It is the developer who makes arrangements with the cable company to wire the development for cable, NOT the other way around.

How is Comcast supposed to know that a new development is coming in? Do you really think they send someone down to the planning and zoning office to check for new developments?

The bottom line is your developer dropped the ball.
112 posted on 06/12/2003 8:25:25 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: DannyTN
I won't use comcast for internet because they won't charge me just for the connection. They want to charge me for every computer I have that I connect to my home network.

That's not the case in Pa. In fact, they've been very helpful in our setting up a home network with multiple TVs and, no, we don't pay extra.

113 posted on 06/12/2003 8:28:35 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: brianl703
As far as watching the broadcast networks go, I get CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, WGN, and PBS over my antenna nearly perfectly. NBC, CBS and ABC are perfect. Fox is a tad fuzzy, but barely noticeable. The others vary, but since I rarely watch any of those, it's no big deal. I ran my antenna AND my satellite through my pre-existing cabling, and can watch the broadcast channels on any of the five tv's in my house. During football season, I will actually physically move one of my sat receivers to my study to watch any games on ESPN that might come on. A little bit of a hassle, and one I wouldn't have to do if I had cable, but for $20 a month, I can live with it.
114 posted on 06/12/2003 8:40:22 AM PDT by Space Wrangler (Now I know what it's like washing windows when you know that there are pigeons on the roof...)
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To: Space Wrangler
That works if you have either an outdoor antenna or live close enough to the city that a rabbit-ear antenna will work. Out here it takes a pretty good outdoor antenna to get a decent signal, and although the HOA isn't supposed to disallow installation of outdoor antennas anymore(FCC ruling), nobody in my neighborhood has installed one...
115 posted on 06/12/2003 8:47:53 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: mhking
Ii>DSL and satellite are your friends. Comcast is anything but...

I like Comcast. Too bad you had a bad experience with a rookie CSR. May want to give them anither try in the future. VoIP service is next on their list. Trial in Phili right now.
116 posted on 06/12/2003 8:59:50 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (I don't believe in coincidences!)
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To: brianl703
The bottom line is your developer dropped the ball.

Regardless; Comcast was out of line to tell me to do their work for them, period. Combine that with piss-poor customer service over the past nine years and multiple management teams, and I've had enough.

You can only stand being treated like a doormat for so long.

Comcast claims to be so damned concerned about the Atlanta market; as far as I'm concerned, they can take a flying leap. Their actions - what minimal ones they've shown since taking over from AT&T (nee MediaOne; nee GCTV) - don't demonstrate any kind of interest in my business.

Pretty damn sad if you ask me.

117 posted on 06/12/2003 9:15:29 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Pro-Bush
May want to give them anither try in the future.

I've been walked on so much by them and their predecessors in the past, that they've gotta show me an awful damn lot before I even give them the time of day any more.

118 posted on 06/12/2003 9:17:03 AM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
Realistically, there is nothing Comcast could have done to make you happy in that situation. Even if they were to wire the neighborhood for cable, it would probably take a minimum of 6 months to complete the project and result in making a mess of many yards to run the cables.

They'd also have to secure an easement with every single property owner, if one wasn't already there (and it probably wasn't).

That's why the developer makes arrangements with the cable company to get the lines in before the houses are built.

I guess the customer service rep could have explained all of this to you, but I expect it would have resulted in them wasting 20 minutes because you'd still be unhappy with them.

119 posted on 06/12/2003 9:35:00 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: mhking
I did want to mention that Comcast is probably the least of your worries...if you developer couldn't do something as routine as making arrangements for the development to be wired with cable, I have to wonder about how they handled the more complex parts of the development process, like, say, building houses...

Just a thought.

120 posted on 06/12/2003 9:39:29 AM PDT by brianl703
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