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To: wardaddy
No the real problem is the teachers, the unions and the money. Lazy parents will always be lazy, no matter how much teachers and unions are taking advantage of tax payers. Stupid, lazy parents are similiar to union thugs, and many teachers ,because they all have an entitlement attitude.

You know the," I am alive you must pay for me and my way", group.

I am now expecting the RINO teachers to flame me and tell me no one understand how hard they work ,and how underpaid they are , and they never get three months off in the summer and two paid weeks vacation in the school year. That they don't have paid sick days and that they don't get home at 3:00.

I have said it before and I will say it again , teaching in public schools is the cushiest job around.

Most teachers I know are glorified public servants. They just get way more perks and pay than the janitors at the local court house.

"Teaching" What a racket.

17 posted on 06/11/2003 10:08:35 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: No More Gore Anymore
I disagree. I know teachers who teach in urban schools where kids come from fractured families or serial illegitimacy.

I agree that the teacher's unions political aims have been incredibly destructive..no doubt, but we now have a slew of unmanagable kids in many of our urban areas. DC is a perfect example...more money per student than just about anywhere yet the schools are horrible....that blame cannot be laid directly at the teacher's feet. I would venture that 75-80% of those kids come from the hood with no clue as to how to behave in a civil fashion.

The disintegration of our public schools has paralleled the rise in divorce and illegitimacy almost lockstep.....in particular in the black community with regards to the latter.
24 posted on 06/11/2003 10:26:31 AM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: No More Gore Anymore
"I have said it before and I will say it again , teaching in public schools is the cushiest job around.

First of all, I'm not some "RINO teacher." Although I have taught seminars, conducted field trips, and tutored in college, my expertise in this matter comes from being the son of a public school teacher and a husband of a public school teacher.

Not all teachers are union members. Some have to pay a union fee because of the contract with the District. Teachers only get paid for the time they are teaching. If they don't teach in summer school, they don't get paid, and they can't collect unemployment. Some teachers choose to have their payroll distributed over the full year, so for the time they are working, they are getting paid at 3/4ths the normal rate.

My wife is a special education teacher - her students have diabilities - some mental, some phsycial, some both. She reports to work before 8:00 a.m. She goes off the clock at 3:30 p.m. Most the time she has to do her require State paperwork and stays late, unpaid, getting home after 6:00 p.m.

Her job is real "cushy." Some of her "students" are not bathroom trained. So she changes diapers. Some of her students need to be "tube fed" their meals, because they lack the capacity to chew and swallow properly. One kid has pica (eats everything in sight). Another is a projectile vomitor. A couple run around and scream uncontrollably. Another has Tourette's and spits constantly. Her real success story last year was to help a boy with cerebral palsy learn to use a computer with a special keyboard. That kid has now been mainstreamed into a regualr classroom with the help of a full-time aide.

My wife has an "entitlement attitude" allright. She has a college degree and a special ed certification and makes about $35,000 per year. So why does she do it? She likes helping the kids who need the help the most.

YOU, on the other hand, are the real idiot. You wouldn't be able to last in my wife's "cushy" job for one week. You are, of course, welcome to your opinion; but infact, you're nothing more than an ignorant, opinionated blowhard who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Why don't you volunteer at a school and see what it's really like. If it's such a racket, I'm sure a smart guy like you can get an emergency credential and jump aboard the gravy train. Otherwise, STFU.

175 posted on 06/12/2003 12:58:14 AM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: No More Gore Anymore
Actually my fiance is a teacher, and my mother just retired from teaching after 30 years ($60K was the max she made, and that was with 29 years experience and as an admin.)

Cushie my a$$. They both work(ed) a minumum 60 hour weeks and have to deal with imbred parents who don't give a rats butt about education, didn't when they whent through, and want to know why little "Skyler" is failing.

The day my fiance figures out it's a crap job and leaves public edusitting will be the best day of her life. She doesn't even make $20.00 an hour, more like $15.00
332 posted on 06/12/2003 2:45:58 PM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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