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Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - In a step critics charge could result in decriminalizing sexual contact between adults and children, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) recently sponsored a symposium in which participants discussed the removal of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Most of the mental illnesses being considered for removal are known as "paraphilias."

Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented conferees with a paper entitled "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal."

People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

Different societies stigmatize different sexual behaviors, and since the existing research could not distinguish people with paraphilias from so-called "normophilics," there is no reason to diagnose paraphilics as either a distinct group or psychologically unhealthy, Moser and Kleinplatz stated.

Participants also debated gender-identity disorder, a condition in which a person feels discomfort with his or her biological sex. Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

"The situation of the paraphilias at present parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970s. Without the support or political astuteness of those who fought for the removal of homosexuality, the paraphilias continue to be listed in the DSM," Moser and Kleinplatz wrote.

A. Dean Byrd, vice president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Utah, condemned the debate. Taking the paraphilias out of the DSM without research would have negative consequences, he said.

"What this does, in essence, is it has a chilling effect on research," Byrd said. "That is, once you declassify it, there's no reason to continue studying it. What we know is that the paraphilias really impair interpersonal sexual behavior...and to suggest that it could be 'normalized' simply takes away from the science, but more importantly, has a chilling effect on research."

"Normalizing" pedophilia would have enormous implications, especially since civil laws closely follow the scientific community on social-moral matters, said Linda Ames Nicolosi, NARTH publications director.

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

But whether pedophilia should be judged "normal and healthy" is as much a moral question as a scientific one, according to Nicolosi.

"The courts are so afraid of 'legislating someone's privately held religious beliefs' that if pedophilia is normalized, we will be hard put to defend the retention of laws against child molestation," Nicolosi noted.

In a fact sheet on pedophilia, the APA calls the behavior "criminal and immoral."

"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA said.

However, the APA failed to address whether it considers a person with a pedophile orientation to have a mental disorder.

"That is the question that is being actively debated at this time within the APA, and that is the question they have not answered when they respond that such relationships are 'immoral and illegal,'" Nicolosi said.

Dr. Darrel A. Regier, director of research for the APA, said there were "no plans and there is no process set up that would lead to the removal of the paraphilias from their consideration as legitimate mental disorders."

Some years ago, the APA considered the question of whether a person who had such attractions but did not act on them should still be labeled with a disorder.

"We clarified in the DSM-IV-TR...that if a person acted on those urges, we considered it a disorder," Regier said.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, author of a study on change of sexual orientation that he presented at the 2001 APA convention, took part in the symposium in San Francisco in May.

Spitzer said the debate on removing gender identity disorder from the DSM was generated by people in the homosexual activist community "who are troubled by gender identity disorder in particular."

Spitzer added: "I happen to think that's a big mistake."

What Spitzer considered the most outrageous proposal, to get rid of the paraphilias, "doesn't have the same support that the gender-identity rethinking does." And he said he considers it unlikely that changes would be made regarding the paraphilias.

"Getting rid of the paraphilias, which would mean getting rid of pedophilia, that would not happen in a million years. I think there might be some compromise about gender-identity disorder," he said.

Dr. Frederick Berlin, founder of the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, said people who are sexually attracted to children should learn not to feel ashamed of their condition.

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children. But certainly, such an individual has a responsibility...not to act on it," Berlin said.

"Many of these people need help in not acting on these very intense desires in the same way that a drug addict or alcoholic may need help. Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

"We do believe that these people have a disease or a disorder, but we also recognize that in having it that it impairs their function, that it causes them suffering that they need to turn for help," Berlin said.

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To: saramundee
"My son just graduated from high school. He was number 2 in his class. He was given a four year academic scholarship. Yeah, that's dysfunctional."

Ooooo, that just sank in.

Just graduated high school, so presumably he started manifesting SSAD symptoms before the age of 18.

Did you make any attempt to discover the identity of and report the predator who molested or seduced him and precipitated your son's SSAD?
181 posted on 06/12/2003 12:24:22 AM PDT by dsc
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To: LibertarianInExile; Kevin Curry
Any time there's a thread on here talking about pedophilia or some other perversity, he's on it. It's like a sexual weirdo thread checklist

Hehehe...how would you know Pot?

but he inevitably justifies his constant presence there by discussing his personal theory that "Libertarians are behind it all!"

Look Kevin, you’re the only one that thinks Liberaltarians and liberals are out to change society with their big experiment. Thank goodness that Liberaltarians are still the irrelevant 2% of the political population they always were, glad there’s still a little common sense left in this country.

182 posted on 06/12/2003 12:47:29 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: kattracks
I truely believe we are all headed back to the times of the "wild west". These lunatics will gain protection by the government, but the decent people of this country will revert to protecting their own. And high time too. I pray my kids never face animals such as these. The offender(s) would never see the inside of a courtroom.
183 posted on 06/12/2003 1:06:27 AM PDT by Terridan (Please lord, protect our children... Where is Wyatt and Doc Holliday when ya need them? ;()
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To: dsc
Right or wrong, Keynes was a very bright lad, and his standing shows that "homophobia" was extinct in England by his generation. George Orwell commented in 1947 that it no longer required bravery for someone to identify himself as homosexual.
184 posted on 06/12/2003 1:06:32 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
Something I've been thinking about: how come intelligent people are wrong so often? There even seem to be some kinds of error to which intelligent people are more prone than the dimmer bulbs.

Perhaps memory, verbal facility, and intelligence are different functions, but we assume that a good memory and verbal facility indicate the presence of intelligence.

As for the entirely normal aversion that normal people have for sexual deviants, was it the case that it was extinct in 1947, or that it had become dangerous to show it?
185 posted on 06/12/2003 1:16:22 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
If people understood the IQ testing better they would know that while it can test overall intelligence it is also designed to show that people are not intelligent in all areas but each individual has talent in a few.

A person can have an average IQ and be extremely intelligent in one area.

However, intelligence does not mean someone cannot be mentally ill. Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Napolean etc... were all intelligent, but frighteningly so.

Einstein is an indisputable genius but his private life was equally dysfunctional.

Thomas Jefferson was intelligent but there is no debate his personal life was riddled with problems. He couldn't solve the problem of slavery in his own life and was unable to resolve it while in public office as well. Even though he knew it would result in a civil dispute eventually.

Often times I think that those who are pecularly talented are more inclined to be dysfunctional. It's as though they can only channel all their thoughts & energy into that one area.
186 posted on 06/12/2003 1:43:34 AM PDT by kuma
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To: LibertarianInExile; Kevin Curry
I think he misunderstands libertarians. They have a live and let live philosophy, but they also are strong advocates of protecting your family and your property. (not to mention gun ownership).

Scenario one - Liberal hears cry for help coming from daughter's bedroom and walks in on intruder. Liberal response - appeal to reason and plead with intruder not to hurt anyone.

Scenario two - Libertarian hears cry for help cominging from daughter's bedroom and walks in on intruder. Libertarian response - double tap, and maybe a couple more if the corpse is still twitching.

Granted there is a much more morally ambiguous case that made the news here a few months ago. 13 year old girl got (communication via internet) a 22 year old guy to sneak into her bedroom for sex while parents were home. Parents discovered this (what a surprise - some people are too dumb to do anything but dig ditches) Cops came and arrested 22 year old who was charged with child molestation. The DA told the media that it was pretty obvious that the girl was an active and willing participant in the whole thing and in fact it was her idea, and he regretted that he couldn't charge her with anything.

187 posted on 06/12/2003 3:57:18 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: kuma
I think of the difference between Washington and Hamilton. Hamilton was obviously tremendously more intellectual than Washington, yet without Washington Hamilton could never have succeeded. After Washington's death Hamilton blundered into a fight with Adams, a fight that not only cost Adams the presidency but put the government in the hands of Jefferson. I hate to quote Gore Vidal--incidentally another example of one who is too clever by half--but Hamilton and Aaron Burr were mortal enemies because they were so much alike. Neither had what the English call judgement although each was fertile in expedients.
188 posted on 06/12/2003 7:31:51 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Imagine. Whenever and wherever sexual perverts try to push their foul public agenda on the rest of America I show up and push back. That disturbs the liberals and libertarians who are straining with all their energy to open the sewage sluices.

Judged from their twisted and warped perspective, resisting moral rot must seem perverse indeed.

191 posted on 06/12/2003 10:09:18 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: saramundee
Yeah, I've seen those "changed" homosexuals. They aren't changed.

Oh really, how many? I know two who've changed for many years with no regrets. And of course there are these myths.

I don't know why you're buying that myth.

No dear, the myth is yours and we’re sure one you need to hang on to to deal with the trauma from your poor child and uncle.

192 posted on 06/12/2003 10:21:59 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: saramundee; dsc
dsc: Did you make any attempt to discover the identity of and report the predator who molested or seduced him and precipitated your son's SSAD?

saramundee: Ya know what? People like you are the ones who have problems. I won't even dignify your post with a response beyond this.

He didn’t learn his behavior on his own, it always starts with an older peer. But you can hide your head in the sand and pretend it didn’t happen, homosexual predators are not going away. Hope you don’t have anymore vulnerable kids.

193 posted on 06/12/2003 10:32:59 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Kevin Curry
Whenever and wherever sexual perverts try to push their foul public agenda on the rest of America I show up and push back.

Well listen here Kettle, your opinion makes you opinionated, you should live and let evil live, and you shouldn't comment on other's opinions.

Sincerely
Pot

194 posted on 06/12/2003 10:42:14 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: LizardQueen
Species identity disorder is not listed, so far, aren't you glad?
195 posted on 06/12/2003 10:43:14 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: L.N. Smithee
"Define "condone" -- What steps would the APA have to take to actually "condone" pedophilia, in your opinion?"

I think the APA would have to take the stance that not only is pedophilia not a mental illness, but that it was not harmful and/or may be beneficial to children. I realize that some have made this claim, but it is NOT a mainstream idea.

196 posted on 06/12/2003 10:57:21 AM PDT by Qwerty (Breakin' the LAW, Breakin the LAW!)
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To: saramundee
I would imagine your son spent many enjoyable visits to your uncle's house while he was growing up.
197 posted on 06/12/2003 11:02:39 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: saramundee
I thought about emailing you and talking on a personal level more about myself and my own expierences. I've come to the conclusion that would be pointless and possibly only used against me in the future.

**I know it probably makes you feel better**

HIV can be carried for up to 10 years and the carrier not even be aware of it. With all the new medications people are now living 20 yrs or longer. Unfortunately I have to tell you that all you need is to give it some time. Unfortunately for me I've seen AIDS with my own eyes.

**For some reason you can't get beyond it.**

It's called facing the FACTS even when I don't want to. It's a result of caring TOO MUCH to be able to just stick my head in the sand and "pretend".

Everyone and I mean EVERYONE I've ever met that was gay/lesbian (or any sexual disorder for that matter) came from a dysfunctional family. You seem to think that careers and public achievements mean that one's family cannot be dysfunctional.

**As for my son, I am sure he will have a wonderful life. He's a wonderful human being.**

You seem to be thinking that I feel the need to personally attack your son. I don't. All of us have flaws. He's not a freak just someone with a sexual disorder.

**bigotry**

Name calling is all you have. That and all the activist propaganda you can get your hands on. Posting on this forum usually means for most people they can spot a leftist non-arguement. However, our own weaknesses often blind us in select areas.

**Bury your head in the sand**

I can tell by your replies that even if you read the information on the sites I provided you links to, you have chosen to bury your head in the sand and pretend a "gay" life is a happy life.
198 posted on 06/12/2003 12:23:43 PM PDT by kuma
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