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Sorry, Charlie. Darwin's dead and he ain't comin' back.
1 posted on 06/09/2003 6:07:51 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 06/09/2003 6:10:00 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Sorry, I forgot to put a tagline here.)
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Sorry, Charlie. Darwin's dead and he ain't comin' back.

So it would seem. However, Darwinian evolutionary theory ain't hardly cheyne-stoking out just yet because of a few tv shows.

3 posted on 06/09/2003 6:22:03 PM PDT by donh (u)
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5 posted on 06/09/2003 6:25:21 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (nice taglines are for sissies)
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ID

The simple mans idea of science.

What a relief that anyone without an education can claim understanding of that which they have no idea about.

ID

The way by which speaking in tongues and snake handling can finally be explained.

ID

6 posted on 06/09/2003 6:26:42 PM PDT by highpockets
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Are you familar with Dr. Carl Baugh?
7 posted on 06/09/2003 6:26:45 PM PDT by WKB ("If you ain't the lead dog the view never changes" Lewis Grizzard)
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there is plenty of evidence that does challenge Darwinism

Creation "evidence" happens to be about as convincing as evidence for flying saucers and extra sensory perception.

9 posted on 06/09/2003 6:33:29 PM PDT by jlogajan
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The History Channel has been known to air 'documentaries' on extraterrestrial visitations, moon landing hoax theories, and extrasensory perception. Oh, and next year Michael Moore is gonna put a 9/11 Bush conspiracy movie documentary on the screen..

Goes to show the description "documentary" just don't mean what it used to anymore..
18 posted on 06/09/2003 7:05:58 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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Sorry charlie, but Darwin himself may be dead, but his theory lives on, and is getting stronger EVERY day.

ID is NOT scientific, never can be, because it's whole PREMISE is nonscientific. GODDIDIT is not a valid premise, because it is nonfalsifiable.

Science can niether PROVE, nor DISPROVE the existence of god, therefore GOD cannot be used as a causation, because if it is, the theory becomes nonfalsifiable, and if a theory is nonfalsifiable, it is by definition NOT scientific.

28 posted on 06/09/2003 7:59:30 PM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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I hate these threads. The orthodox Darwinians and the Biblical literalists anathematize each other while both ignore the third possibility, ID theory, or else criticize it ignorantly.

Intelligent Design doesn't presuppose God! What it does is make evidence-based arguments that blind random selection is insufficient to explain the full diversity and complexity of life that is observed. "Design" here means "not randomly caused", but no assumptions are made about the identity of the "designer" -- it could be a technological civilization from elsewhere in the galaxy for example. The core technical concept is that random variation has its limits, which can be characterized mathematically, and that certain conditions on a system allow one to deduce that the probability it could have been created by random-mutation-driven evolution is vanishingly small.

42 posted on 06/09/2003 8:51:01 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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How dare they challenge our precious dogma with new evidence! What do they think this is? Old fashioned science?
Don't they realize that Darwinites have all the Final Answers?! We don't need intelligent minds or whatever!
68 posted on 06/10/2003 6:23:02 AM PDT by metacognative
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Quick! Hide the abuse button before it's too late!!!
144 posted on 06/10/2003 12:48:39 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th% ("I canno' change the laws of physics, Captain!")
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shiva

Of course I have intelligence! It wouldn't be by ignorant design that I created the universe now would it?

173 posted on 06/10/2003 1:46:31 PM PDT by Lysander (My army can kill your army)
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Here are some really great websites:

http://evolution-facts.org/default.htm

http://www.creationists.org/

http://answersingenesis.org/

http://www.drdino.com/
227 posted on 06/10/2003 2:58:08 PM PDT by goodseedhomeschool
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Thank's. I requested it in Nashville.
263 posted on 06/10/2003 5:40:07 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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Has any living thing ever changed into another species, or has any species ever given birth to a different species? Does anyone know of this ever happening? And do you have proof? I would really like to know.
327 posted on 06/10/2003 10:58:34 PM PDT by DoWhatsRight
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ABIOGENESIS

That slow process by which living organisms were spontaneously generated from non-living matter. This scientific fact should not be confused with the old discredited myth of spontaneous generation by which it was once foolishly believed that living organisms arose from non-living matter. (see Law of Biogenesis).

A.C.L.U.

An organization that zealously protects our American civil liberties by preventing students in public schools from considering scientific evidence that is either consistent with creation or critical of evolution.

BIG BANG

The mechanism, or at least the noise, by which all matter and energy came into existence billions of years ago.

BIOLOGY

The branch of the exact sciences which is exclusively concerned with the evolution of living organisms by means of random mutations and natural selection.

DROSOPHILA

The "guinea pig" of the evolutionist to which we all owe a debt of gratitude for our understanding of the role of mutations in evolution. Trillions of generations of these rapidly breeding little flies have had their wings crumpled and their eyes damaged by strong mutagenic agents to provide us with a genetic insight into how man evolved from the prehominid brutes in a few thousand generations.

EVOLUTION

A truly perfect scientific theory which explaims in detail how everything in the universe came into being -- slowly. The theory of evolutions is so perfect and flexible in its ability to explain virtually all observable phemomena or opinions that it would be impossible to even conceive of an experiment capable of disproving it. (see Law).

GEOLOGIC COLUMN

A precise hierarchy of fossilized animals and plants of known age found in successive layers of stratified rock with the simplest and oldest at the bottom and the most highly evolved, i.e., most recent, at the top. Uninterrupted columns of this type may be found in any book of geology, paleontology or evolution. Bits and pieces of the column may even be found in the stratified rocks of the earth, but since these layers are often out of correct order and very incomplete, one should study the geologic column in books, not nature.

HOPEFUL MONSTER THEORY

A concept first introduced out of necessity by the geneticist, Richard Goldschmidt, which states that evolution occurs by sudden and large changes in the offspring of a species resulting in radically different but well adapted organisms, i.e. "hopeful monsters." After being widely discredited for many years this idea is being reintroduced, out of necessity, as a serious theory. The great leaps forward implicit in this theory entirely account for the absence of the "missing links." (See Punctuated Equilibrium)

INDEX FOSSILS

Fossils of animals whose ages are precisely known from the age of the rocks in which they are found, thus, serving as a means for accurately dating the rocks in which they are found as well as the age of any other fossils that may be contained therein.

LAW

In science, a statement of fact about a sequence or phenomenon that has been invariably observed to occur under known conditions such as, for example, the theory of evolution. (see Evolution).

LAW OF BIOGENESIS

Simply states the obvious...that all life comes from pre-existing life. This law, which was confirmed by Redi and Pasteur, permanently laid to rest the ludicrous idea of the ignorant ancients that living organisms could spring from inanimate matter. It should be emphasized that this law in no way precludes the slow origin of living organisms from inanimate matter through the process of evolution - after all, we are here, aren't we? (see Abiogenesis).

LIFE

The only term in this dictionary that defies definition since it has been said that "the division of matter into living and nonliving is perhaps an arbitrary one. It is a convenient method for distinguishing, for instance, a man from a rock." (quoted verbatim from The Origins of Life, by Cyril Ponnamperuma, 1962, H. P. Dutton, New York, p. 36).

MICROSPHERES

Primitive cells which have been artificially synthesized from simple laboratory reagents. As the name implies, the principal similarity between microspheres and living cells is that both are small and sort of round.

MISSING LINKS

An inconceivably vast assemblage of plants and animals which are intermediate in their evolutionary development between all of the discrete kinds of plants and animals one sees either alive or in the fossil record. Unfortunately as the name implies they are missing.

MUTATIONS

A change in the genetic material (DNA) of the cell induced by hazardous chemicals or radiation which in addition to killing or maiming organisms will, given enough time and enough mutations, inexorably lead some organisms on to an ever more successful and adaptive life.

NATURAL SELECTION

That miraculous process by which incredibly complex and useful structures, such as the eye or brain, are culled out from a vast array of random and purposeless mutations. In the distant past this marvelous natural artificer has produced the whole scope of existence from molecules to man but today it appears to be limiting its activities to such mundane matters as controlling the relative numbers of white and black moths in England.

NEO-DARWINIAN EVOLUTION

An embellishment of the old Darwinian theory of evolution, it states that random changes (mutations) in the genome of an organism will be selected for, and thus contribute to the evolution of the new species, only if they ultimately lead to a greater number of offspring. Thus, an ever-increasing rate of reproduction entirely accounts for the evolution from bacteria to man.

ONTOGENY RECAPITULATES PHYLOGENY

A law first discovered by Ernst Haeckel which if pronounced correctly and with conviction, impresses laymen and students of science in the elementary grades. Simply stated, and thus less convincingly, it means that the embryos of all animals bother to provide a historical review of many stages of their evolution during their embryological development. Although this type of reminiscing is touching and is taught in almost every general science and biology text book, it is no longer accepted by scientists or even evolutionists.

PHYLOGENETIC TREE

A tree that grows mainly in textbooks of biology and which has a variety of both contemporary and fossil animals perched on the tips of its branches. This tree clearly shows how all of these animals branched off from common ancestors a long time ago. For some reason the common ancestors are never shown sitting in the crotches of the tree. Plants presumably grow on different trees which are rather rare.

PILTDOWN MAN

Once known by all true scholars of human evolution to be an ancient ancestor of man. This true "ape man" had the jaw of a modern ape and the skull of a modern man. Today this ape-man is not so well known among true scholars of evolution.

PRIMITIVE

Old, inferior, poorly adapted, less evolved, shoddy, bungling.

PROOF

The assimilation of data in such a way that the desired conclusion seems to be the most plausible hypothesis.

PROTOZOA

As the name implies, these are known to be the first true animals on earth. If these primitive organisms had continued to adapt to their changing environment they might still be with us today.

PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM

An ad hoc hypothesis or alibi that claims the reason there are no known transitional forms in the fossil record is because evolutionary changes occur so quickly and the reason we can't see evolutionary changes in the laboratory is because they occur so slowly. (see Hopeful Monster Theory).

RADIOCARBON DATING

A remarkably precise method of actually measuring the age of any carbon-containing sample. Except for certain spurious (young) dates, radiocarbon, like other methods involving the decay of radionuclides will, given several absolutely safe assumptions, invariably indicate a ripe old age for any specimen consistent with a slow process of evolution.

SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

One of the most fundamental laws of science which essentially states that nothing can increase in order, complexity, or information but rather everything form the universe to the one-horse shay will in time fall apart (not assemble). We may be sure, however, that the mind-boggling increase in order, complexity and information accomplished by the evolution of chemicals to man in no way violates this law or it wouldn't have happened.

SELECTIVE PRESSURE

That natural and highly selective pressure that actually forces particularly useful structures such as brains, eyes, legs, wings and long necks on giraffes to evolve by random mutations. Unnecessary structures such as eyelids on your navel fail to evolve by chance because there is no selective pressure for this.

SPECULATION

The single most powerful tool in the hands of the evolutionists.

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST

The most important contribution of Darwin to biological thought which states that only those organisms which are fit survive, or in other words, survival is the result of being fit. By this kind of logic it can also be proven that loss of vision is a principal cause of blindness.

THEISTIC EVOLUTION

The belief that the evolutionary account of origins (where everything ascends from a very imperfect state to a more nearly perfect state) and the Biblical account of origins (where everything descends from a perfect state to a very imperfect state) are both true.

TIME

That miracle ingredient which in sufficient quantity can give scientific credibility to any hypothesis no matter how improbable. It is a well- known axiom of science for example, that given enough time virtually anything is possible - indeed you might even say it has to happen.

TREE

That which only evolution can make. (see Phylogenetic Tree).

VESTIGIAL ORGANS

Organs or other body parts, left over from evolutionary ancestors, which are no longer used or needed by an organism that has become more highly evolved by abandoning organs and getting simpler. Seventy years ago man had nearly one hundred vestigial organs such as the parathyroid, tonsils, coccyx, etc., but today he has very few vestigial organs because a good use has been discovered for most of these organs.

XERDEMA PIGMENTOSA

A disease of man in which certain enzymes which normally repair mutations of DNA fail to do so resulting in malignant tumors of the skin which are often fatal. Since it is well known that mutations were essential for the evolution of man from primitive cells, we must assume that too much of even a good thing like mutations is bad for us.

390 posted on 06/11/2003 12:49:00 AM PDT by razorbak
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In fact, the claim that God is dead is not verifiable and I regard it as wishful thinking on the part of a lot of people who ought to know better. The fact that Darwin is dead, on the other hand, is provable.
425 posted on 06/11/2003 9:45:50 AM PDT by martianagent
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Last night I actually watched "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" on PBS – it is a very well done and compelling program. (BTW: that is the topic of this thread)

First, I want to make it perfectly clearly that Aric2000 is complete wrong is his characterizations of ID. Many people use ID to mean different things – I have seen a website where they use the term ID to refer to Biblical-literalist creation. In this context Aric2000 characterizations are correct – but that is not the only meaning of ID.

In the program "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" – there is no mention or inference to God. All the show does is point to evidence of design.

Just because I watched a one hour program – I am not going to pretend to be an instant expert – but this is how I understand it: ID focus on two major points – the evolution of DNA and the evolution of complete systems.

ID scientists hypothesize that it is impossible for DNA to evolve being DNA is the vehicle for natural selection. Evolution has a “chicken and the egg” problem. DNA is an extremely complicated and data intensive thing – if the data is incomplete, it does not work. So, for cells to evolve they need DNA (the vehicle for natural selection) but how could DNA come into existence through evolution if DNA is needed for evolution to work. This is a serous paradox for evolution theories. In Darwin’s time, cells were considered to be fairly simple and therefore evolution worked.

The second point was the evolution of complex systems – the example was a bacteria that has a rotating tail for propulsion – when observed under extreme magnification it turns out that the bacteria basically has an “out-board engine” – a complete system made up of many parts that work together for ONE purpose. The ID scientists say it looks like it is impossible for a complex system to evolve – for evolution to work each step in the evolution process must have some benefit. The complex system in the bacteria only works when all pieces are in place therefore the interim steps would have no value or use and therefore natural selection could not work. They pointed out that even Darwin accepted the fact that if a complex system like this was discovered, it would pretty much deflate his theory.

Aric2000 is wrong. ID is science – compelling science. I suggest that everybody do the research and don’t buy into the orthodox Darwinist propaganda.

434 posted on 06/11/2003 10:05:27 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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Is it true that Baghdad Bob has been hired as the spokesman for the ID cult?
761 posted on 06/12/2003 9:57:13 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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"Warning! Warning! Your thread is in danger of getting pulled, Will Robinson!"
984 posted on 06/12/2003 5:10:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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