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Wake the Bishops.org
http://wakethebishops.org/ ^ | 06.09.03

Posted on 06/09/2003 1:35:37 PM PDT by Coleus

Therefore I testify to you this day
that I am innocent of the blood of all of you,
for I did not shrink from declaring to you
the whole counsel of God.
Acts 20:26-27 [RSVCE]

LORD,

are You seen today in Your

preborn children?

If so, why have we Catholics allowed since 1973, more than 40 million such children in the United States to be horribly murdered without even anesthesia, by chemical poisoning, by saline burning, and by surgical dismemberment, right up to the time of birth? Are we concerned that these cold, brutal acts continue to be done at a rate of more than 4000 per day in this country? Will the Lord ask us one day what we did to stop this slaughter?

Is it a coincidence that abortion was legalized here after the United States Catholic bishops failed to proclaim and defend the teaching of the Church expressed in Humanae Vitae? Perhaps the answer is that we had no legal abortion before this collapse of authority because Catholic bishops would not stand for it, and politicians realized that fact.

Today there are “Catholic” politicians who say they are personally opposed to abortion, but who vote to continue these murders. Should they be publicly excommunicated? There are twelve of them in the U.S. Senate today, and one of them is from “Catholic” Louisiana. Are many bishops today, such as Archbishop Alfred Hughes of New Orleans, leading the church militant, or the church passive, in the face of this monstrous evil?

About excommunication, Archbishop Hughes has stated:

“There’s a public dimension to this, and a private dimension, so this is a matter for prudential judgment.”

“Bishops weigh these carefully in search of what is best in each situation for the community in their care.”[1]

This “weighing” goes on and on, while at least ten preborn children are viciously murdered every working day in the New Orleans area. How much more time is needed for this careful weighing by the archbishop, when this killing has continued for thirty (30) years?

Somebody has to do something to wake up the bishops. But what?

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This website is maintained by Wake the Bishops, a group of lay Catholics who have seen attempts at communication through ordinary diocesan channels produce absolutely no results over the years. We respect and hold in reverence the office of bishop, established by Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself for the teaching and government of His Church. It is because of this respect and reverence that we undertake to do everything in our power to wake the bishops for the good of the Church, of the unborn, and of the bishops themselves, who must answer to God for the way in which they fulfill their duties. It is with great “fear and trembling” at the thought of our own appearance before the heavenly Judge that we dare to correct those in authority over us.

Send us your comments.

[1] Statement by Fr. William Maestri, archdiocesan spokesman, quoted in The Times-Picayune, May 10, 2003



TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; bishops; catholic; catholiclist; democrats; politicians; prolife; republicans; vote
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To: sinkspur
I thought I read an article that his church excommunicated him
21 posted on 06/12/2003 6:54:33 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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22 posted on 06/12/2003 6:55:01 PM PDT by RadioFR
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To: sinkspur
Excommunicating Catholic politicians is fine, but it will do nothing to lessen the number of abortions. It's showboating.

WRONG! It's justice, not showboating. But I suppose it doesn't fit into the anything-goes, modernist, I'm-OK/you're-OK (on the way to hell) mentality.

Justice on this earth scares some people. What should scare them is the justice that is both inescapable and everlasting--the justice brought on by lack of justice here on earth. Decrying truth and justice as "Showboating" will not save anyone from the truth, sinkspur. It only serves to perpetuate the evil in a comfortable, new order way.

For crying out loud!
23 posted on 06/12/2003 6:59:17 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
Massachusetts Catholics are going to elect someone other than Ted Kennedy to the Senate if the next Archbishop of Boston kicks him out of the Church?

No that won't happen, Kennedy keeps getting elected one, because of he last name and second, because of his seniority in the senate .. he brings alot of money to the state

Then there are all the unions

But kicking Kennedy out, sure would send a message

24 posted on 06/12/2003 7:00:52 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: MHGinTN
Right, my friend. It is a sin to show consent to sin by silence when one should speak up.

That's basic Catholic doctrine, and it's not called showboating (not by Catholics, anyway).
25 posted on 06/12/2003 7:03:56 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Thorondir
Decrying truth and justice as "Showboating" will not save anyone from the truth, sinkspur. It only serves to perpetuate the evil in a comfortable, new order way.

You're wound way too tight, my friend.

What should scare them is the justice that is both inescapable and everlasting--the justice brought on by lack of justice here on earth.

Lots of Catholics, especially those around Boston, would point to bishops who transferred abusive priests and ask "Where is the justice for them"?

I suspect the reason the Catholic bishops are laying low is that they have every reason to, given their mafia-like behavior in regards to clerical predators.

26 posted on 06/12/2003 7:08:25 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Mo1
Dashole's Bishop publicly stated that he has automatically excommunicated himself, and that the Church does not need to make it formal, since it is simple Catholic doctrine to anyone who understands Catholic faith.

So you are right, my friend. Dashole is out of here. Remember the old legal addage that "Silence gives consent". It has applied through Roman times to today. The Church has always applied it in such matters.
27 posted on 06/12/2003 7:08:30 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
Excommunicating Catholic politicians is fine, but it will do nothing to lessen the number of abortions. It's showboating.

If excommunication means nothing to you, then the Holy Sacrements mean nothing to you.

They should be excommunicated because they do not belong in the Church, not because it is some means of temporal duress.

You've lost your compass.

28 posted on 06/12/2003 7:11:27 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: sinkspur
Three artful dodges in one post. Wow! Making progress (but not truth, as usual) I see. I'll keep praying for truth and justice. You keep on praying for... well whatever new order thing it is you pray for... or to... or at... or with... or about.
29 posted on 06/12/2003 7:11:53 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Thorondir
It is a sin to show consent to sin by silence when one should speak up.

Perhaps you could post the last "letter to the editor" you've written about abortion.

Post it right here.

30 posted on 06/12/2003 7:16:02 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Thorondir
Dashole's Bishop publicly stated that he has automatically excommunicated himself,

Please post that public statement, right here.

31 posted on 06/12/2003 7:17:24 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Petronski; sinkspur
You've lost your compass.

I can't speak for sinkspur .. but I think he is looking at the catholic community in general

We may not like it, but the fact is that a number of them are liberal

They may never have an abortion themselves .. but they don't want to tell someone else not to.

32 posted on 06/12/2003 7:17:42 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Petronski
If excommunication means nothing to you, then the Holy Sacrements mean nothing to you.

It means something to me; it means nothing to Massachusetts Catholics.

Hell, Teddy Kennedy KILLED a woman, and he was reelected overwhelmingly!

You've lost your compass.

Nah. I've always despised Teddy Kennedy, and Mary Landrieu, and Tom Daschle.

33 posted on 06/12/2003 7:20:24 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
So it means something to us, so that is why it should be done.

(And if it means so little to Teddy, why would he use such high-torque influence to keep the MA 'Church' on his side?)

34 posted on 06/12/2003 7:26:52 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: sinkspur
Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle has received a letter from the bishop of his home diocese of Sioux Falls, S.D., informing him that he can no longer publicly identify himself as a member of the Catholic Church.

If the Bishop demands that a man stop publically calling himself Cathoic, then it would take a man of sinkspurian ignorance to think he was still in communication with the Church. Take up the case for the babykiller's good standing all you want, sinkspur. But good luck fooling God--or any real Catholic for that matter.
35 posted on 06/12/2003 7:26:59 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
It means something to me; it means nothing to Massachusetts Catholics.

Besides, why not deny them even the pretense of being 'Catholic?'

36 posted on 06/12/2003 7:27:52 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: sinkspur
...it means nothing to Massachusetts Catholics.

Strange enough that they all speak with one voice, but when did they elect YOU their spokesman?
38 posted on 06/12/2003 7:29:29 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Petronski
Besides, why not deny them even the pretense of being 'Catholic?'

Are you saying to kick them all out?

That won't happen .. there are too many of them

39 posted on 06/12/2003 7:30:49 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Thorondir
If the Bishop demands that a man stop publically calling himself Cathoic, then it would take a man of sinkspurian ignorance to think he was still in communication with the Church.

I'm familiar with that letter. Nowhere in it does the bishop say that Daschle is forbidden from receiving the sacraments of the Catholic Church.

If he can receive the sacraments, he's not excommunicated.

The bishop simply asks that Daschle not publicly associate himself with the Church.

Why are you so pissed all the time, Thorondir?

40 posted on 06/12/2003 7:33:41 PM PDT by sinkspur
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