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Ex-Official: Evidence Distorted for War
AP via Excite News ^ | Jun 7, 6:18 AM (ET) | JOHN J. LUMPKIN

Posted on 06/07/2003 7:15:11 AM PDT by leadpencil1

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To: Dilbert56
Set the scope large enough to include the Sink Emperor and the Dems will drop it like a hot potato.

^^
Well said!
21 posted on 06/07/2003 8:23:14 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Bush/Cheney in '04 and Tommy Daschole out the door)
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To: leadpencil1
The Bush administration distorted intelligence and presented conjecture as evidence to justify a U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a retired intelligence official who served during the months before the war.

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This appears to be the truth.

22 posted on 06/07/2003 8:25:29 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Mike4Freedom; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; Registered; Grampa Dave
The truth? Would these people--the liberals and the axis of weasels--know the truth if it exploded in their laps, like it did on 9/11?

What about all this stuff?

WARNING: Gathering WMD storm a crock. See what Clinton told nation in 1998...

The Guardian Fully Retracts BOTH Powell/Straw Story AND Wolfowitz "It's All About Oil" Story

CIA convinced truck-trailers held bioweapons labs ^

IRAQ: WMD source 'was senior Iraqi officer'

FAS (Fed Am Scientist) Report: Iraqi Precursor Chemicals Stored Separately for Weapon-side Mixing

THE ROAD ENDS FOR WMD ON WHEELS

Coalition forces enter possible WMD site

Initial tests suggest WMD "cocktail" found in Iraq (**Of special note--post #58, by Archy)

U.S. finds new evidence of Iraqi WMD (NBC training school, antidotes)

Chem-weapons lab believed discovered

BRITS' CHILLING CHEM-NUKE FIND

CAPTURED FOES FOUND WITH CHEM-WAR GEAR

EUPHRATES 'POISONED'

MSNBC - Cyanide & Mustard Agents Found in Euphrates River

Is the Activity at Al Qaim Related to Nuclear Efforts?

U.S. probing nuclear facility (Al Tuwaitha Follow Up)

Team Inspects suspected plutonium site (update by the journalist who broke original story, NEW info)

Underground Nuclear Facility Found in Iraq

Marines hold Iraqi nuclear site built by French

U.S. Marines Guard Secret Iraqi City with Very Hot Nuclear Radiation Levels

And from Freeper "HatSteel":

Terrorist devices, chemical weapons found in Iraq

Suspicious Iraqi Drums - UPDATE

Suspected bioweapons labs found

Searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Larry Elder

Iraq's Weapons and the Road to War

Iraqi Scientist Links Weapons to 'Dual Use' Facilities, White House Says

IRAQ: U.S. Analysts Link Iraq Labs to Germ Arms

Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert

Herald Sun: Soldiers find Iraqi chemical 'dump'

***Germany's leading role in arming Iraq

*Germany intercepts (30 tonnes) chemicals (may be used to make nerve gas) for N Korea

New DOD team to hunt for intel as well as weapons

***Chemical Weapons Programs

Capture of chemical expert could help U.S. weapons hunt in Iraq (Emad Husayn Abdulla al-Ani)

Belgium Finds Nerve Gas Ingredient in Letters

Banned missile programme found in Iraq

Administration to Announce 'Rollback' Strategy for WMD

Suspicious Iraqi Drums Preliminary Testing Suggests Chemical Agents; More Testing Needed

2 trailers deemed biological arms labs

***Table 2: Characteristics of Chemical Warfare Agents: Commercial Uses of Chemicals or Precursor Chemicals

******CENTAF IRAQ'S CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM


And I should add--

October 1998:Senate Democrats Signed Letter Urging Clinton To Attack Saddam Over WMDs, just posted today.

We've found wmds, we and the axis of weasels have known about the wmds--and the rest of this is just an excuse to attack what was a just and a successful war. The ones telling the "big lie" are not the President and his admin, but the weasels. Pity that some freepers are buying into it.

23 posted on 06/07/2003 8:26:24 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: babaloo
John Culver was JFK's college roomate.

Yeah, and I think Thielmann was Ritters' roomate.

FMCDH

24 posted on 06/07/2003 8:27:39 AM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: leadpencil1
Failed Foreign Service Officers are either asked to retire -- or take a job in the State Department's Office of Intelligence and Research. Thielmann chose the latter, and as his graduation from the ultra-Liberal Grinell ('72) would suggest, he continued his losing ways until recent retirement while still in his fifties. Now we can expect a couple of decades of mushthought from this bozo (this article is a reprise of a previous interview he gave to Newsweek) until he goes into that great eternal purgatory where FSO's go -- and no one else.
25 posted on 06/07/2003 8:29:22 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: mewzilla
More important, Greg Thielmann is probably a life long card carrying rat, who is very pro Islamofacist.
26 posted on 06/07/2003 8:30:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton and Nader in primaries!)
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To: Grampa Dave
The headline should have read Evidence Distorted for Attacking the Successful and Just War, truth be told.
27 posted on 06/07/2003 8:34:20 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: RLK
" ... The Bush administration distorted intelligence and presented conjecture as evidence to justify a U.S. invasion of Iraq, according to a retired intelligence official who served during the months before the war.

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This appears to be the truth. "

It's the truth, yeah sure it is. I'm an unamed source and I say this is crapola.

Put a face on the source. Have them available for questioning. Let's see the 'evidence'. I won't take any NYTs article as evidence.

So the UN and Hans Blix was lying all the time. Hmmmm got to think that one over.

This is getting hilarious. We'll see won't we. But personally I need more than 2 months to search all the sand in Iraq for WMDs.

Anyone care to contemplate how easy it would be to take a gps and go out in the desert, write down the coordinates, dig a hole, stick the WMDs in the hole and bury them. How would anyone find the WMDs except those who buried them in the first place and knew the coordinates.

We'll see won't we.

Has anyone else noticed the uptick in dumpo posts in this forum? Getting a bit much. Do we have a re-direct from the undergraound? These types are doing nothing but attacking Bush's character with lies. So sad to see so many so blinded by hatred.

28 posted on 06/07/2003 8:37:51 AM PDT by snooker
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To: MEG33
You didn't want to go to war at all ,did you?

Correct, I never fully believed the story. The evidence was "thin" at best and the Niger forgery was well known before the first missile flew. The down side risk was considerable as we see in the rejuvenation of Al Queda.

So, yes, I was against the war before it started. Does that mean that I cannot point out the need for finding the truth now.

I will be happy to congratulate the President for being smarter than I was if he turns out correct, though I will be unhappy if they were withholding good evidence. On the other hand, I expect all true conservatives of whatever party to put aside party loyalty and stop supporting the president if the facts show that the administration intentionally lied. Do we have a deal?

Remember that the truth will eventually come out. It may take some years but history will know the answer. Just like we all know now that the main escalation of the Viet Nam war was based on a non-existent Gulf of Tonkin incident. Fifty Thousand dead Americans and probably 2 or 3 times than number of Viet Namese dead because of that story. If Johnson was alive, we should be hanging him from the highest place.

29 posted on 06/07/2003 8:46:49 AM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: mewzilla
John Culver was a far-left Democratic U.S. Senator from Iowa in the late 80s.
30 posted on 06/07/2003 8:52:17 AM PDT by Mini-14
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To: leadpencil1
Wasn't Salman Pak, the training base with the aircraft fuselage, also a training base for Al Qaeda Hijackers located in Iraq?

How much more operational can you get in Mr. so-called ex-official?

32 posted on 06/07/2003 9:04:08 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (fenceline marine)
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To: leadpencil1
I am so sick of this. No matter what these people's opinions are, they should keep their mouths shut! I don't care who they are, they would not be privy to the information the President of the United States has! This is NOT an attack on free speech, this is about national security. These second guessing, remaining secret so called officials are undermining our security!!! They don't even have the guts to reveal who they are!
33 posted on 06/07/2003 9:07:44 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Mike4Freedom
It's not as if President Bush made up the WMD issue. It was there before he was.

The idea that you would jump to the conclusion that there was something sneaky going on on our side rather than see the more likely scenario, that SH hid, destroyed, and/or moved the weapons shortly before or even during the war, shows your bias. You trust Saddam Hussein more than you trust George W. Bush.

To accuse people of blindly following who use common sense rather than get hysterical three minutes after the WMD search begins is ludicrous.
34 posted on 06/07/2003 9:23:00 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Mike4Freedom
It doesn't do any good. Check the irrelevant replies to you.
35 posted on 06/07/2003 9:30:03 AM PDT by jammer
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To: leadpencil1
MEMO TO DEMOCRATS:

The war is over.

America has destroyed your Ally, Saddam in the process.

We have shaken up the entire world AND international terrorism in the process.

Regardless of this petty and unsubstantiated "charge," of "deception" the War is STILL supported by 75% of the American people.

Ergo, in 2004 Dubya will slaughter ANY RAT candidate for President.

36 posted on 06/07/2003 9:37:08 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: alnick
To accuse people of blindly following who use common sense rather than get hysterical three minutes after the WMD search begins is ludicrous.

Yes, but what relevance is that statement? The accusation was about people who have not even started to question the WMD search 2 months after we occupied Iraq. The statement was that common sense is not being used, and implied that it would be more productive to bolster the arguments made against critics rather than use ad hominem terms like "hysterical" and "ludicrous".

Hiding or moving is a reasonable argument, IMO. But the arguments of critics are not unreasonable either--better formulate some rebuttal.

37 posted on 06/07/2003 9:40:41 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
The arguments of the critics are not reasonable, because their argument is that if large stocks of WMD were not uncovered and revealed with a few weeks of the war, then Bush was lying or at least exagerating. That's a huge leap.

There's an old saying, and I'm going to slaughter it because I remember the gist but not the actual saying. It basically says that if you know that there is a herd of horse-like animals without actually seeing them, you don't automatically assume that it's a herd of zebras. It's much more likely to be horses.

Bush's enemies are leaping to the conclusion that it's zebras. And guess what? They gain politically if it's zebras, but they lose politically if it's horses.

Common sense says that the accusers are suspect due to that.

Common sense tells me to believe that it's horses until I actually see those stripes.

39 posted on 06/07/2003 9:55:21 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Agape
I remember every week after the war, people said, "Just give it another month and we'll find WMDs."

Actually Bush admin officials said to give it at least a year.

40 posted on 06/07/2003 9:56:17 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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