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TAFFIN TESTS: The 10 MM
Sixguns.com ^ | 2000 | John Taffin

Posted on 06/06/2003 4:02:25 PM PDT by 45Auto

The modern beginnings of the 10MM go back to the early 1970's with the creation of the .40 G&A. At the time, there were three semi-auto cartridges of any serious consequences available, the 9MM, the .38 Super, and the .45 ACP. The idea was to come up with a cartridge that combined the best qualities of the 9MM and .45 ACP. With the creation of the new .40 semi-auto cartridge, the statement was made that "...the .40 caliber was chosen because it can be shown mathematically that it takes about this size projectile to provide the cross-sectional area to achieve adequate stopping power at reasonable pistol velocities."

There are any number of experts, men who have first hand knowledge of bullet performance in both hunting and defensive situations, who would dispute that there is any such thing as stopping power. Penetration combined with hitting vital areas seem to be much more important and the .40 G&A would certainly offer excellent penetration capabilities by combining the speed of the 9MM with the bullet weight of the .45 ACP. The larger the caliber, the better the chance of hitting vital areas. The .40, while not as good as the .45 in this respect, is certainly better than the 9mm, speaking strictly from the standpoint of the cross sectional area offered by each cartridge.

The .40 G&A was wildcatted using cut down .224 Weatherby brass and 180 grain .38-40 bullets. Chambered in a Browning Hi-Power, maximum velocities were right at 1250 feet per second. The .40 G&A went nowhere but it opened the doors for the 10MM.

Now enters the Bren Ten. In 1984, Jeff Cooper put his stamp of approval on a new semi-automatic from Dornaus & Dixon, the offspring combining some of the best features of the Czech made CZ-75 9mm with the distinct advantage of a larger hole in the barrel. The amazing thing is that Chairman Jeff took to heart a semi-auto that was not chambered in .45 ACP and was a double action semi-automatic. The new caliber was the 10mm, and the new semi-auto, while a double action, could be carried cocked-and-locked.

Cooper named the new handgun the Bren Ten, BR for the BRNO factory in Czechoslovakia and EN for the British Enfield factory. Bren Ten made a catchy name for the new 10mm. Unfortunately, the name still exists and the Bren Ten itself is no more. By 1987, Dornaus & Dixon had gone into bankruptcy.

The gun died, but the cartridge did not. Colt rescued it by chambering the Government Model, renamed the Delta Elite, and 10mm handguns have been available from Springfield Armory, IAI, LAR, Thompson/Center, Glock, Smith & Wesson with the 1006 and 1016. I can think of no other instance in history whereby the original handgun died so quickly, and yet the cartridge lived on in so many persuasions most of which are now also gone.

Loading the 10mm proved to be sufficiently easy with the use of RCBS Carbide dies. I always like to leave about one-sixteenth of an inch of the shoulder of any semi-auto bullet exposed. This works with some bullets in the Colt 10mm but loads for the Javelina must be seated with the shoulder flush with the case mouth.

Four jacketed bullets were shot extensively in the Colt and Javelina 10mms. Those bullets were Sierra's 150 and 180 grain jacketed hollow cavities, Speer's 190 FMJ, and Hornady's 200 grain FMJ. A fifth jacketed bullet, Hornady's 170 grain jacketed hollow point was used in the Javelina alone.

The 10mm proves to be quite fussy about the jacketed bullets and load combinations it is being fed. The Speer 190 would not group at all with either of the Colts with any of the loads tried. Switching to the Javelina, the same Speer 190 would shoot into less than two inches with the right load. I called Speer and they related that they too had had problems in the Colt Delta Elite and others have related that the Delta Elite is no great shakes accuracy-wise with any loads tried. Both Colt Delta Elites I used for testing the 10mm had been worked over with slide tightening, trigger jobs, etc, but had stock barrels.

Many jacketed loads proved to be exceptionally accurate in the Colt Delta Elites and the Javelina with many loads grouping under two inches or less at 25 yards when fired using the Outer's Pistol Perch as a rest. A sandbag is placed in the barrel notch of the perch and another is placed on the platform that serves as a hand rest. This proved to be the best way of using the Pistol Perch for accuracy testing.

Some excellent loads surfaced as the testing progressed. With jacketed bullets in the 180 to 200 grain category, 10.5 grains of AA#7 gave velocities in the 1100+ fps range and consistently grouped in two inches or less with both the Delta Elites and the Javelina. This same load gave the same excellent results with the RCBS #10mm-200 cast bullet in the Colt Delta Elites. Groups ran in the one and one-half inch range with velocities at 1200 feet per second. Switching to the Javelina, 11.0 grains of AA#7 gives 1281 feet per second and groups right at one-inch. An excellent practice or competition load for the 10mm with the RCBS cast bullet proved to be 5.5 grains of WW231. This load goes 1000 fps from the five-inch barrel of the Delta Elite and 1075 fps from the seven-inch barrel of the Javelina. Accuracy is so good, I would search no more. This load makes major with plenty to spare, is easy to handle and consistently groups under one and one-half inches. For a lighter cast bullet, I use the Bull-X 175 grain semi-wadcutter. The same 5.5 grains of WW231 gives velocities of 1050 in the Delta Elites and 1100 in the Javelina. Easy shooting and easily makes major for action shooting competition.

Is the 10mm a hunting pistol? With qualifications, yes it is . The qualifications are the proper ammunition and especially discretion. Pushed to the limit, the 10mm is better than the .357 Magnum but still quite a bit below the .41 Magnum. I have been using the 170 Hornady Jacketed Hollow Point and have developed a warm load of 13.0 grains of AA#7 for 1374 feet per second from the seven-inch Javelina. This should do the job on small deer without any problem. This load should also be worked up to carefully starting at around 11.0 grains.


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KEYWORDS: 10mm; banglist
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To: Eaker
I don't think you'll need a stick to protect her, she looks like she will be able to take very good care of herself, thank you.
101 posted on 06/11/2003 6:50:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
When I saw that picture, for just a second I thought it was G. Gordon Liddy.
102 posted on 06/11/2003 6:56:18 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, my trusty Beretta 40 cal. It ain't so trusty anymore. I'll get back on that horse Friday. Me, it, and 1,000 confidence restoring rounds. I hope it doesn't rain.
103 posted on 06/11/2003 6:58:43 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: yarddog
G. Gordon Liddy??? I have been compared looks-wise to many people, but NEVER the "G-Man!"
104 posted on 06/11/2003 6:59:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey G-Man!! no...wait...don't hit me!

105 posted on 06/11/2003 7:01:52 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican; harpseal; sneakypete
Never having had one blow up on me, I can only guess your thoughts as you prepare to shoot the repaired gun.

One common MAC/SOG operation was to "seed" NVA caches etc with rifle bullets doctored with C-4, and mortar bombs and grenades which blew up the users.

Then they inserted fake communiques into NVA message traffic saying things like

"Please don't stop using the Chinese ammunition! They have had some problems at the factory at Fu-Chu, but that problem has been addressed. There is no longer ANY risk in using the Chinese ammunition."

106 posted on 06/11/2003 7:04:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; yarddog
G. Gordon Liddy??? I have been compared looks-wise to many people, but NEVER the "G-Man!"

I thought that you looked like Agent 99!!

;<)


Eaker

107 posted on 06/11/2003 7:04:23 PM PDT by Eaker (Adiós reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
When I was about 12 years old I got a box of Remington "sure shot" 20 guage shells that just about every single one would split right along the edge of the rim. I would get a face full of powder and who knows what else.

I was so poor or stingy that I actually used up the whole box. I probably came pretty close to blinding myself.

On another occassion and about the same age, I pulled the bullet from a .22 LR and noticed it was only about half full of powder. I figured Remington was short changing me on powder. I took another one apart and filled the case full. I was smart enough to use my Brothers .22 instead of my own to test my reload. I pointed it at a row of 2X8 rafters in the barn to see how many it would penetrate.

I never did find out because when I fired it, all I saw was a cloud of smoke. I guess the bullet must have disintegrated because I never found a hole. I had to literally hammer the bolt open with a two by four and found only pieces of brass all around the action. It was a Remington 513 and was unusual in that it had dual locking lugs. No real damage to the gun at all. Never did tell my Brother.

108 posted on 06/11/2003 7:10:57 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: PatrioticAmerican
The squib load actually was when a friend's wife was firing the 9mm. I was teching another student at the time and all I was told was it failed to extract. another round was chambered and the gun fired. with no ill effects fro anyone except a bulge in the vbarrel which would not let the slide go forward. I learned to ask every question when someone else fires a gun and has a problem. By the way the gun that fired with an obstructed barrel and did not blow up was a CZ-75. I have since realized this is a testament to the strenght of the firearm and barrel.
109 posted on 06/11/2003 7:16:37 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Travis McGee
Re the screwed up ammunition for enemy rounds. A favorite was the round that was jsut a primer and no powder to block the barrel so the SKS or AK that used it was useless in a real firefight after that round had been used up. another trick was with fully loaded magazines have some C4 rigged to detonate after the tenth or twelveth round. The NVA and Cadre would often strip off a round, two or three yto verify a magazine was not booby trapped.
110 posted on 06/11/2003 7:22:32 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Travis McGee
#106 - I read about that. That's just plain mean! Oh, well, never fight fair because there is never a fair fight.
111 posted on 06/11/2003 7:40:42 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: harpseal
I heard the CZs are built like little tanks. I've never fired one, but their latest creations seem to be getting attention.
112 posted on 06/11/2003 7:41:53 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: harpseal
I know a guy who keeps the first round of his bedside a primer only round just in case someone else gets to it. Not smart for him, great for screwing up bad guys in war.
113 posted on 06/11/2003 7:43:23 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: harpseal
That's gotta be bad for morale, to wonder if you're using ammo with C-4 in it.
114 posted on 06/11/2003 10:45:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; harpseal
That's gotta be bad for morale, to wonder if you're using ammo with C-4 in it.

The primer on 7.62x39 will reliably detonate C4?

115 posted on 06/12/2003 5:35:54 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: SauronOfMordor
It will when confined inside the cartridge casing with a lillte kicker added from a balsting cap's contents.
116 posted on 06/12/2003 6:38:18 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
How is the quality of EAA guns in general? I was looking at their over/under shotguns because of the attractive price, but I don't know anything about their quality. Can you comment?
117 posted on 06/12/2003 7:21:47 AM PDT by Ranxerox
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To: 45Auto
bump for later
118 posted on 06/12/2003 7:24:13 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
helo rides, cool. I've spent a few thousand hours island hopping in those. There's just something about the thump-thump-thump eagbeater sound they make to get my blood going.

Having gotten my blood going in two Huey crashes [both overloaded on takeoff] and having observed a guy back into a turning tail rotor, you are damned well welcome to the things. I'll ride in them if I have to, or if I'm paid to, but not vice-versa.

I've got to admit that Loaches are neat, though, and once got a ride in the gunner's seat of a Cobra, very sporty. But not my idea of fun.

-archy-/-

119 posted on 06/12/2003 8:50:01 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Eaker
She's about 12 in this pic? And is that a .45ACP.

GOOD WORK EAKER! More young ladies need to be raised this way, more need to be raised as ladies in the first place.

You change a culture by changing the women first, men will fallow.
120 posted on 06/12/2003 9:03:49 AM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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