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TAFFIN TESTS: The 10 MM
Sixguns.com ^ | 2000 | John Taffin

Posted on 06/06/2003 4:02:25 PM PDT by 45Auto

The modern beginnings of the 10MM go back to the early 1970's with the creation of the .40 G&A. At the time, there were three semi-auto cartridges of any serious consequences available, the 9MM, the .38 Super, and the .45 ACP. The idea was to come up with a cartridge that combined the best qualities of the 9MM and .45 ACP. With the creation of the new .40 semi-auto cartridge, the statement was made that "...the .40 caliber was chosen because it can be shown mathematically that it takes about this size projectile to provide the cross-sectional area to achieve adequate stopping power at reasonable pistol velocities."

There are any number of experts, men who have first hand knowledge of bullet performance in both hunting and defensive situations, who would dispute that there is any such thing as stopping power. Penetration combined with hitting vital areas seem to be much more important and the .40 G&A would certainly offer excellent penetration capabilities by combining the speed of the 9MM with the bullet weight of the .45 ACP. The larger the caliber, the better the chance of hitting vital areas. The .40, while not as good as the .45 in this respect, is certainly better than the 9mm, speaking strictly from the standpoint of the cross sectional area offered by each cartridge.

The .40 G&A was wildcatted using cut down .224 Weatherby brass and 180 grain .38-40 bullets. Chambered in a Browning Hi-Power, maximum velocities were right at 1250 feet per second. The .40 G&A went nowhere but it opened the doors for the 10MM.

Now enters the Bren Ten. In 1984, Jeff Cooper put his stamp of approval on a new semi-automatic from Dornaus & Dixon, the offspring combining some of the best features of the Czech made CZ-75 9mm with the distinct advantage of a larger hole in the barrel. The amazing thing is that Chairman Jeff took to heart a semi-auto that was not chambered in .45 ACP and was a double action semi-automatic. The new caliber was the 10mm, and the new semi-auto, while a double action, could be carried cocked-and-locked.

Cooper named the new handgun the Bren Ten, BR for the BRNO factory in Czechoslovakia and EN for the British Enfield factory. Bren Ten made a catchy name for the new 10mm. Unfortunately, the name still exists and the Bren Ten itself is no more. By 1987, Dornaus & Dixon had gone into bankruptcy.

The gun died, but the cartridge did not. Colt rescued it by chambering the Government Model, renamed the Delta Elite, and 10mm handguns have been available from Springfield Armory, IAI, LAR, Thompson/Center, Glock, Smith & Wesson with the 1006 and 1016. I can think of no other instance in history whereby the original handgun died so quickly, and yet the cartridge lived on in so many persuasions most of which are now also gone.

Loading the 10mm proved to be sufficiently easy with the use of RCBS Carbide dies. I always like to leave about one-sixteenth of an inch of the shoulder of any semi-auto bullet exposed. This works with some bullets in the Colt 10mm but loads for the Javelina must be seated with the shoulder flush with the case mouth.

Four jacketed bullets were shot extensively in the Colt and Javelina 10mms. Those bullets were Sierra's 150 and 180 grain jacketed hollow cavities, Speer's 190 FMJ, and Hornady's 200 grain FMJ. A fifth jacketed bullet, Hornady's 170 grain jacketed hollow point was used in the Javelina alone.

The 10mm proves to be quite fussy about the jacketed bullets and load combinations it is being fed. The Speer 190 would not group at all with either of the Colts with any of the loads tried. Switching to the Javelina, the same Speer 190 would shoot into less than two inches with the right load. I called Speer and they related that they too had had problems in the Colt Delta Elite and others have related that the Delta Elite is no great shakes accuracy-wise with any loads tried. Both Colt Delta Elites I used for testing the 10mm had been worked over with slide tightening, trigger jobs, etc, but had stock barrels.

Many jacketed loads proved to be exceptionally accurate in the Colt Delta Elites and the Javelina with many loads grouping under two inches or less at 25 yards when fired using the Outer's Pistol Perch as a rest. A sandbag is placed in the barrel notch of the perch and another is placed on the platform that serves as a hand rest. This proved to be the best way of using the Pistol Perch for accuracy testing.

Some excellent loads surfaced as the testing progressed. With jacketed bullets in the 180 to 200 grain category, 10.5 grains of AA#7 gave velocities in the 1100+ fps range and consistently grouped in two inches or less with both the Delta Elites and the Javelina. This same load gave the same excellent results with the RCBS #10mm-200 cast bullet in the Colt Delta Elites. Groups ran in the one and one-half inch range with velocities at 1200 feet per second. Switching to the Javelina, 11.0 grains of AA#7 gives 1281 feet per second and groups right at one-inch. An excellent practice or competition load for the 10mm with the RCBS cast bullet proved to be 5.5 grains of WW231. This load goes 1000 fps from the five-inch barrel of the Delta Elite and 1075 fps from the seven-inch barrel of the Javelina. Accuracy is so good, I would search no more. This load makes major with plenty to spare, is easy to handle and consistently groups under one and one-half inches. For a lighter cast bullet, I use the Bull-X 175 grain semi-wadcutter. The same 5.5 grains of WW231 gives velocities of 1050 in the Delta Elites and 1100 in the Javelina. Easy shooting and easily makes major for action shooting competition.

Is the 10mm a hunting pistol? With qualifications, yes it is . The qualifications are the proper ammunition and especially discretion. Pushed to the limit, the 10mm is better than the .357 Magnum but still quite a bit below the .41 Magnum. I have been using the 170 Hornady Jacketed Hollow Point and have developed a warm load of 13.0 grains of AA#7 for 1374 feet per second from the seven-inch Javelina. This should do the job on small deer without any problem. This load should also be worked up to carefully starting at around 11.0 grains.


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KEYWORDS: 10mm; banglist
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1 posted on 06/06/2003 4:02:25 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
The Colt Delta Elite in 10 mm.


2 posted on 06/06/2003 4:03:49 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
Thanks. Any particular reason for this posting today?
3 posted on 06/06/2003 4:14:38 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
The Bren Ten.


4 posted on 06/06/2003 4:17:30 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Jack Black
Its part of the series on firearms/calibers which I have been posting for a year or so.
5 posted on 06/06/2003 4:18:05 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
info on the Bren Ten:

Bren Ten

6 posted on 06/06/2003 4:20:43 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
The 10 mm Javelina:


7 posted on 06/06/2003 4:26:43 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
I once had three 10mm's two Colt Delta Elites and an auto ordinance.

Despite the fact that it had a cast frame and the barrel had a slight defect in the rifling, the Auto Ordnance shot great. The Colts shot well also.

I phoned Auto Ordinance in New York and they sent me a new barrel. The old one shot so well tho, that I kept it in it.

The 10mm is one of those cartridges which deserved to be more popular than it is. I could barely tell that it kicked more than the standard .45 auto.

8 posted on 06/06/2003 4:35:51 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 45Auto
In my opinion the roots of the .40MM go back to the early 1880's and the .38-40WCF cartridge. Balistics are virtually identical with the same size bore and bullet weight. Parley
9 posted on 06/06/2003 4:53:37 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: *bang_list
bang
10 posted on 06/06/2003 4:54:06 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: 45Auto
I think the ideal application for the full-house 10MM is as a load for a short action carbine. Build one around a glock magazine and I'll be first in line.

Uhh, I guess it would be wise to ask if anybody knows of a 10MM carbine.

11 posted on 06/06/2003 5:52:35 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Parley Baer
I think you are right about the 38-40. It was a good rifle cartridge but the bottleneck never did work well in revolvers.
12 posted on 06/06/2003 5:52:59 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 45Auto
This is the round our armed forces SHOULD be using...not the one we inherited from the guys we beat...a .38...which we knew didn't really work well in 1911. It especially doesn't work well as Ball. It's like launching a blunt pencil, or a target-tipped arrow. Makes nice holes in metal, though...which is why Muttly carried it...and still does...perhaps...
13 posted on 06/06/2003 6:04:40 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Muttly like 10mm. 10mm Good)
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To: PoorMuttly
BTW, that Long-Slide "points" really well. It sort-of reaches right out there. I look forward to using one on my next adventure "off my leash."

Will report.
14 posted on 06/06/2003 6:08:04 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Will Snarl for Ammunition)
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To: 45Auto
.40 beats 9mm every time.

.45 is better, but if I had to choose between .40 and 9mm (in a handgun) .40 wins.

In some future day, we will have 'phasers' as in 'Star Trek'.

Until then I must regard the 9mm as a .45 set on 'stun'.

The .40 seems to be doing well.

15 posted on 06/06/2003 6:11:55 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: muir_redwoods
H&K makes a 10mmm carbine.
16 posted on 06/06/2003 6:15:34 PM PDT by Henchster
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To: LibKill
Until then I must regard the 9mm as a .45 set on 'stun'.

I like both calibers. Each has advantages and disadvantages.

I also really like the 357 Sig. I would put it on par with a .45 for stopping power.

17 posted on 06/06/2003 6:20:49 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: muir_redwoods
Olympic Arms makes both uppers and complete carbines in 10mm Auto. Here's my Oly CAR-97/10mm with a few mods along with a G20.

18 posted on 06/06/2003 7:15:04 PM PDT by NordicG3K
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To: Parley Baer
Actually, the 38WCF (38-40) is a dead ringer ballistically for the .40S&W in equal bullet weights. The 10mm is more powerful than both.

There is no problem with the 38-40 in revolvers. I have three of them. I also have a Uberti/Winchester 38-40 rifle. No problems there either. The 38-40 is much more accurate than the 44-40 (I have several of them too), especially the RUGER Vaquero 44-40 (Baa, humbug). Will provide more info if anyone is interested.
19 posted on 06/06/2003 7:20:55 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent
I am sure I once read that Jeff Davis Milton, one of the all time great lawmen, got rid of his 38/40 because it would set back and jam the cylinder.

I have heard of other people having the same problem. I have never fired one myself.

20 posted on 06/06/2003 7:33:07 PM PDT by yarddog
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