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1 posted on 06/05/2003 8:55:48 PM PDT by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
No wonder, even as they’re being pounded senseless, many British crime victims are worrying about potential liability.

look here, bozo. you touch my wife, I'll put a .45 through your skull. she's got a nice rock on her finger. I've got a nice glock on my hip.

dorothy, we ain't in london anymore.

2 posted on 06/05/2003 9:03:28 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: UnklGene; Joe Brower; M Kehoe
Second Amendment BUMP
3 posted on 06/05/2003 9:08:40 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04........Across America!)
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To: UnklGene
Another great one from Steyn.

Is this a repeat?

4 posted on 06/05/2003 9:08:54 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: UnklGene
Outstanding article.
5 posted on 06/05/2003 9:11:31 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: UnklGene
was leaving her house in East Anglia

You know something is rotten in England if that could happen in East Anglia. That was the region of England where the Pilgrims came from. It still tends to be rather conservative, Cambridge notwithstanding.

6 posted on 06/05/2003 9:15:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: *bang_list
BANG!
7 posted on 06/05/2003 9:19:31 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: UnklGene; Pokey78
I think this is a new Steyn?
8 posted on 06/05/2003 9:20:08 PM PDT by Notforprophet (Everything is True. Even False things are True.)
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To: UnklGene
"To a North Country Yankee it’s self-evident that, when a burglar breaks into your home, you should have the right to shoot him - indeed, not just the right, but the responsibility, as a free-born citizen, to uphold the integrity of your property."

I'm going to have to disagree with the eagerness with which Steyn shoots people. Call me crazy but I value life more than property. Even burglers are people, a-holes at that, but the taking of life over property (even stuff you work for) isn't worth it to me. I'm not saying I would let them go, but I wouldn't shoot them on sight like he's suggesting. What I do with the handcuffs otherwise is between me and the wife.
9 posted on 06/05/2003 9:24:02 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: *bang_list
Steyn Bang!
10 posted on 06/05/2003 9:25:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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Steyn Ping
11 posted on 06/05/2003 9:27:02 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: UnklGene
BIG PICTURE --- What has happened to make Britain abandon the concept of self-defense?? I do not understand this. It makes no sense...SSZ
28 posted on 06/05/2003 10:54:30 PM PDT by szweig
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To: UnklGene
This was posted on TheHighRoad a little while back. I never posted it here because it didn't have a source, but I'll add it to this thread for your consideration:

Wheelchair bound Brit arrested for self defense

I acted in self-defence says disabled robbery victim

A DISABLED man who used CS spray to fight off a robber is now facing the threat of legal action.

Wheelchair-bound Nicholas Ashworth, aged 22, sprayed his alleged attacker in the face with the CS spray.

He then climbed out of his wheelchair and limped across the road as the man screamed in pain. A passing police patrol spotted him in distress and stopped at the scene. Officers then arrested both men.

Today after being released on police bail pending further inquiries -- which could result in police prosecution -- Mr

Ashworth defended his use of the CS spray. He said he bought it to protect himself after being attacked in Bridgeman Street three weeks ago. On that occasion his attacker hit him in the face before pinning him back in his chair. The man then rifled through his pockets and stole £100.

Mr Ashworth, of Fletcher Street, Bolton -- who can walk just a short distance without his wheelchair -- said the incident left him feeling vulnerable.

Only days later he used it when a would-be robber confronted him as Mr Ashworth made his way to a nearby supermarket.

Mr Ashworth said the attacker held a knife at his throat and threatened to stab him. When he refused to hand over his money the man pushed him across the road and into bushes on the other side of the carriageway.

He said when he was threatened again he grabbed the CS canister and sprayed the man in the face.

He said: "I knew it was wrong and against the law but in my view I was acting in self defence. I thought the man was going to kill me.

"It is a sad state of affairs that disabled people like me have to carry such things like CS sprays for protection."

A police spokesman said that they were investigating the illegal use and possession of CS spray. He also revealed that a man was on police bail pending further inquiries into the attempted robbery of Mr Ashworth.

41 posted on 06/06/2003 5:32:27 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: UnklGene
Conversely, up here in the New Hampshire second Congressional district, there are few laser security systems and lots of guns. Our murder rate is much lower than Britain’s and our property crime is virtually insignificant. Anyone want to make a connection? Villains are expert calculators of risk, and the likelihood of walking away uninjured with an $80 TV is too remote. In New Hampshire, a citizen’s right to defend himself deters crime; in Britain, the state-inflicted impotence of the homeowner actively encourages it.

Great article by Steyn - thanks for posting it!

44 posted on 06/06/2003 5:59:11 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: UnklGene
bfl
45 posted on 06/06/2003 6:00:19 AM PDT by oyez (Is this a great country or what?)
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To: UnklGene
In any society, criminals prey on the weak and vulnerable. It’s the peculiar genius of government policy to have ensured that in British society everyone is weak and vulnerable - ...

One of my favorite quotes in this article. So true!

62 posted on 06/06/2003 1:59:16 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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