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'Ban all tobacco' - US health chief
Guardian (UK) ^ | June 4, 2003 | Duncan Campbell

Posted on 06/04/2003 7:05:08 PM PDT by Mister Magoo

'Ban all tobacco' - US health chief

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles Thursday June 5, 2003 The Guardian

The surgeon general of the United States, Richard Carmona, has said he would support the abolition of cigarettes and all tobacco products, the first time that such a senior public health official has taken that kind of stand over the industry. Dr Carmona's statement was welcomed yesterday by anti-smoking organisations and condemned by the tobacco industry. The Bush administration, which enjoys the support and financial backing of the tobacco industry, yesterday distanced itself from the abolition position.

The US already has some of the toughest anti-smoking legislation in the world. California has led the way. Last year it banned smoking in all areas next to playgrounds or "tot lot" areas. Similar measures are being considered nationwide.

The state, which has banned smoking in public buildings, bars and restaurants, is also considering a ban in some blocks of flats. Delaware has a similar ban. Connecticut will impose one from next April, and this week Maine moved towards a ban. New York has banned smoking in bars and restaurants.

Ordinances framed also by local councils curtailing cigarette smoking are introduced almost weekly. Santa Monica recently made it an offence, punishable by a £160 fine, to dispose of "smoking-related waste" in a public park.

There have, however, been few suggestions that tobacco should be banned altogether.

Dr Carmona made his controversial remarks while giving evidence to energy and commerce sub-committee hearings at Congress on smoking products that supposedly reduce the risk of cancer. He was asked if he would support the abolition of "all tobacco products". He said: "I would at this point, yes."

He said that he was not a legislator but that he would "support banning or abolishing tobacco products ". He saw "no need for any tobacco products in society".

One of the country's leading anti-smoking campaigners, Jeffrey Wigand, the head of Smokefree Kids, said: "I applaud him. I hope that stirs people up to do something. This would set a tremendous precedent and would have a major effect on world health."

Mr Wigand, a tobacco industry whistleblower who was portrayed by the actor Russell Crowe in the film The Insider, said it was notable that such a senior public health official was so outspoken. "There are 460,000 deaths directly attributable to tobacco in the United States every year," said Mr Wigand. "The World Health Organisation estimates that by 2015 tobacco will be killing more than 10 million a year."

He said that the US, as the leading exporter of tobacco, had a particular responsibility to regulate tobacco use.

But Dr Carmona's remarks are unlikely to lead to any radical moves by the administration. The tobacco industry is a longtime supporter of the Republican party and there have been objections by conservative and libertarian commentators to the restaurant and bar smoking bans.

The White House yesterday said that Dr Carmona's remarks represented his views as a doctor, not those of the administration, whose main focus was discouraging young people from smoking. About 45 million Americans smoke, in a population of 280 million.

Tobacco companies have changed their strategies on the issue of regulation. Philip Morris, the country's biggest tobacco company, is running adverts urging teenagers to "think, don't smoke". They argue that their products are aimed at adults and the issue is one of freedom of choice.

Cigarettes in films is the subject of one of the latest anti-smoking campaigns; the public has been urged to complain by writing to actors who smoke on screen. Tobacco firms have denied that they paid for actors to use their products in films.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nazis; pufflist; tobacco; wodlist
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To: DAnconia55
AH yes.... The party of smaller government

If they ban tobacco, smaller government will be a necessity...no tobacco tax revenues.

41 posted on 06/04/2003 8:59:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
This makes Cuba look like a haven for individual rights.

Go ahead. Move to Cuba. If you survive, you can give us a debriefing on how wonderful the experience was.

42 posted on 06/04/2003 9:01:42 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: D. Brian Carter
Good points.
43 posted on 06/04/2003 9:33:07 PM PDT by Publicus (Come November, We'll Remember)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
"Maybe that's why some politicians want to ban everything -- then they can go into business dealing in what they banned and get rich like Joe Kennedy."

EXACTLY! Just like all tyrants.
44 posted on 06/04/2003 9:34:15 PM PDT by Publicus (Come November, We'll Remember)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
"The surgeon general of the United States, Richard Carmona, has said he would support the abolition of cigarettes and all tobacco products..
This makes Cuba look like a haven for individual rights. "


Imagine Americans hopping a quick flight to Cuba for smoking breaks/holidays...You KNOW Fidel would LOVE it and those gringo dollars.
45 posted on 06/04/2003 9:36:15 PM PDT by Publicus (Come November, We'll Remember)
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To: Mister Magoo
All you ignorant appointed self-annointed jerk-offs in all levels of our multi-level govenments... BUTT OUT!!!

It's stupid to smoke, drink, do ANY drugs... but we can't have ANY freedoms if you out-law stupidity!!!

This would create more "scoff-laws" than this society has ever seen! The more you legislate, the less meaningful the rule of law becomes! (especially when trying to protect "sensitive groups")

I can hardly wait for this revolting development. Maybe it's what's needed to shake the sheeple out of their slumber! Remember what C. Everett Poop (oops a typo) of the Reagan Administration accomplished!!!

46 posted on 06/04/2003 9:39:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (You have to ask yourself, do you really understand all you know about your adamant position???)
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To: djf
Thanks for posting the interesting article.

I just wished the companies didn't add all those chemicals into the mix- THAT is what probably causes all the cancer- smoking ammonia, industrial solvents, etc.
47 posted on 06/04/2003 9:40:21 PM PDT by Publicus (Come November, We'll Remember)
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To: Mister Magoo
This makes no sense. The looming medical crisis of the next 30 years is geriatric in nature and not premature death from any cause. Geriatric medical costs will dwarf any other medical costs unless their plan is at some point to demand euthanasia for the sick and very old. Then it makes sense to keep the young healthy for as long as possible before killing them off otherwise this is only shifting the costs of dying to later in life and increasing those costs in most cases.

I was shocked when the liberal "radio doctor" Dean Edell made some remarks about the smoking witchhunt the other day.

In one he explained a cartoon where two old geezers were laying in hospital beds with all sorts of bags, tubes and gizmos connected to them. The one says to the other "Aren't you glad we gave up smoking all those years ago for this".

Dr. Edell then punctuated this with the statement that the years you save from quitting anything always come at the end of life and not in the middle when you would really like to have them, so enjoy life when you can.

48 posted on 06/04/2003 9:46:42 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Normal4me
"What the hell does this have to do with "smaller government"? It's about FREEDOM to use a LEGAL product"

That's your mistake. Any legal product can be made illegal, and at that point you have no "freedom" to use it. Your error was allowing the government the ability to outlaw substances in the first place.

49 posted on 06/04/2003 9:58:13 PM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Dan from Michigan; Travis McGee
My La Gloria Cubanas??

From my cold dead stained fingers....

I see a nice profitable business in my future...lol
50 posted on 06/04/2003 9:59:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Deja Vu all over again?

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U.S. Constitution: Eighteenth ????? Amendment
Prohibition of Intoxicating LiquorsTobacco Products

Amendment Text

Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors tobacco products within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage any and all purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

51 posted on 06/04/2003 10:01:28 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: lawdude
"It's called "calling your damn bluff"!

I see no one has yet picked up on your astute observation....LOL....I think you are right (heard Rush say just this yesterday.)

52 posted on 06/04/2003 10:04:55 PM PDT by goodnesswins (FR - the truth, and nothing but the truth.........getting to the bottom of journalistic bias.)
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To: wardaddy
In the words of Duke Wayne:

"I wouldn't!"

53 posted on 06/04/2003 10:06:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: basil
This one will be particularly onerous, since the use of tobacco has been so popular for so many years.
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Yup, like, oh, four or five hundred years or so. A hardy perennial with mighty deep roots.

54 posted on 06/04/2003 10:08:53 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah...I know...just fantasizing.
55 posted on 06/04/2003 10:13:56 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: wardaddy
Like the guy says in chapter 60, "Don't even go there. I'm too old to go to jail, and you're too young."
56 posted on 06/04/2003 10:16:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: yankeedame; Travis McGee
I did not know tobacco was a perennial....I've never chopped it till my hands bled unlike Belle Meade Al.

I usually get mine rolled and wrapped from the El Credito factory in the Dom Rep.

...an easy sail away...lol
57 posted on 06/04/2003 10:21:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: Mister Magoo
The government will never do it. States will support it in the press but work against it behind doors. Too much easy money at stake.
58 posted on 06/04/2003 10:23:11 PM PDT by JSteff (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: wardaddy
Did you notice that almost all of the Miss Universe finalists come from the Puerto Rico-Panama-Venezuela triangle? Is it in the soil?
59 posted on 06/04/2003 10:25:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: tpaine
"Ban all U.S. Health Chief's. - Smoke tobacco."

Smoke all Health Chiefs who want to ban tobacco.

60 posted on 06/04/2003 10:26:00 PM PDT by Hot Soup
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