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U.S. has gained little if Bush lied about reason for war
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 5/25/03 | Mark Bowden (author of Black Hawk Down)

Posted on 06/04/2003 7:13:05 AM PDT by Egregious Philbin

Posted on Sun, May. 25, 2003

The Point | U.S. has gained little if Bush lied about reason for war By Mark Bowden For The Inquirer

It has been two months since the United States and Britain went to war against Saddam Hussein, and coalition forces have yet to discover convincing evidence of the weapons programs that President Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair said were its primary cause.

Some of those who supported the war beforehand did so solely on the basis of ending tyranny. The mass graves found throughout Iraq, and widespread stories of torture and atrocity, come as no surprise to those who had studied or endured the Baathist dictator's regime. Those who opposed the war for any reason ought to be doing some soul-searching about the kind of horrors they were prepared to leave in place.

But it is true that Hussein represented only one of many thuggish regimes, and that the United States is not about to go to war against them all. I supported this war because I believed Bush and Blair when they said Iraq was manufacturing and stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. Such weapons in the hands of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations that shared Hussein's hostile designs made such a threat a defense priority - or so the argument went.

Early this month, the U.S. military announced that it had found three mobile laboratories that were most likely designed to manufacture chemical or biological weapons, the types of labs that Secretary of State Colin L. Powell referred to in making his argument for war before the U.N. Security Council. The discoveries were suggestive but hardly convincing evidence of the specific, tangible threat repeatedly outlined by the President. With the authors of Iraq's illicit-weapons program now in custody, we should expect to see soon, or to have seen already, the facilities and stockpiles we and most of the rest of the world believed Hussein possessed.

They may yet be found, but it is beginning to look as though the skeptics in this case were right. If so, I was taken in by this administration, and America and Great Britain were led to war under false pretenses.

Events have moved so swiftly, and Hussein's toppling has posed so many new pressing problems, that it would be easy to lose sight of this issue, but it is critically important. I can imagine no greater breach of public trust than to mislead a country into war. A strong case might have been made to go after Hussein just because he posed a potential threat to us and the region, because of his support for suicide bombers, and because of his ruthless oppression of his own people. But this is not the case our President chose to make.

Truth in public life has always been a slippery commodity. We expect campaigning politicians or debating journalists to pitch and spin. Facts are marshaled to support arguments and causes; convenient ones are trumpeted and inconvenient ones played down or ignored. This is the political game.

But when the President of the United States addresses the nation and the world, I expect the spinning to stop. He represents not just a party or a cause, but the American people. When President Bush argued that Hussein possessed stockpiles of illicit and deadly poisons, he was presumably doing so on the basis of intelligence briefings and evidence that the public could not see. He was asking us to trust him, to trust his office, to trust that he was acting legitimately in our self-defense. That's something very different from engaging in a bold policy of attempting to remake the Middle East, or undertaking a humanitarian mission to end oppression. Neither of these two justifications would have been likely to garner widespread public support. But national defense? That's an argument the President can always win.

I trusted Bush, and unless something big develops on the weapons front in Iraq soon, it appears as though I was fooled by him. Perhaps he himself was taken in by his intelligence and military advisers. If so, he ought to be angry as hell, because ultimately he bears the responsibility.

It suggests a strain of zealotry in this White House that regards the question of war as just another political debate. It isn't. More than 100 fine Americans were killed in this conflict, dozens of British soldiers, and many thousands of Iraqis. Nobody gets killed or maimed in Capitol Hill maneuvers over spending plans, or battles over federal court appointments. War is a special case. It is the most serious step a nation can take, and it deserves the highest measure of seriousness and integrity.

When a president lies or exaggerates in making an argument for war, when he spins the facts to sell his case, he betrays his public trust, and he diminishes the credibility of his office and our country. We are at war. What we lost in this may yet end up being far more important than what we gained.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: markbowden; wmd
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1 posted on 06/04/2003 7:13:05 AM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: Egregious Philbin
Everybody lies. It's old news. Let's move on.
2 posted on 06/04/2003 7:16:12 AM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: zarf
What ever happend with those 3 tankers doing lazy-8s in the Indian Ocean? did we ever look at them to see if wmd are on them?
3 posted on 06/04/2003 7:21:22 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: Egregious Philbin
Three Points.

1. Bush did not lie. Iraq had WMD. Whether they successfully hid and/or sold them, time will tell. If Bush lied, then the whole world lied.

2. Saddam Hussein harbored and supported terrorism. That was another reason we went to war. The capture of the Achille Lauro mastermind is conclusive proof of that. In addition, some people consider suicidal terrorism a form of WMD.

3. Democrat politicans have lied to the people for decades. Look at how successful some of them are. Why no discussion about that?

4 posted on 06/04/2003 7:22:18 AM PDT by PetroniDE (Master (Sort of) of the Kitty Threads)
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To: zarf
Hey Mark!
News papers and Democrats lie all the time. What's the big deal. I thought you boys liked it when you are lied to.
5 posted on 06/04/2003 7:23:19 AM PDT by Nagual
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To: Egregious Philbin
I trusted Bush, and unless something big develops on the weapons front in Iraq soon, it appears as though I was fooled by him.

hard to take an article like this when you know the author is lying himself
I doubt that this guy, one trusted bush, or supported the war
how much more is it going to take to convince people that this act was justified
they have already found mobile weapons labs, missle programs to deliver the WMD's
and massive human rights violations.

by the way where is the barf alert
6 posted on 06/04/2003 7:24:50 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Egregious Philbin
Sound more like a complaint that the DIMocRATs have lost more standing because the war went so well.
7 posted on 06/04/2003 7:27:40 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Egregious Philbin
It's okay for Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, and Carter to lie, thought, right?
8 posted on 06/04/2003 7:30:59 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: PetroniDE
This is so obvious. If Bush and the CIA were lying to begin with, believe it, they would have found "massive evidence" right away. The deception would have been completed to everyone's satisfaction. It is specifically BECAUSE this President can be trusted that we will not get reports of WMD until any findings have passed the "fine tooth comb" test. Still, were the authorities to find machine guns and other contraband weapons in my home, they would not require the ammunition be found as well to convict me. We have more than sufficient evidence, from the trailers to the illegal missiles to the WMD enhanceable warheads, to conclude that, eventually, Iraq would pose an unacceptable threat to us.

Job well done, let the dogs bark, they have always taken the position of history's mass murderers, why should now be any different ?
9 posted on 06/04/2003 7:31:28 AM PDT by prov1813man
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To: Egregious Philbin
I thought that Iraq admitted to having the chemical and biological weapons. This was documented by the UN. Saddam didn't produce evidence that he destroyed them, that's why the UN inspectors were there.

As for the nuclear materials, that is not as clear cut a case. I'm assuming that he is referring to the forged documents that documented nuclear material from Niger that Waxman is talking about. The U.S. had other intelligence that backed up the claims.

I guess I am convinced that Saddam had to go. There were other reasons cited.

If Bush knowingly lied, then I have lost some respect for him. However, this has not been shown to be the case.
10 posted on 06/04/2003 7:33:30 AM PDT by Pest
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To: PetroniDE
excellent points, P.
11 posted on 06/04/2003 7:35:13 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Egregious Philbin
The likely scenario would be something like this: W calls his national security staff and tells them that he wants to get Saddam, dead or alive, and that they should provide all the 'legal' reasons they could find for him to justify it to the 'international community'. I'm sure he never bothered to ask how much confidence they had in those fake 'intelligence' reports the spooks felt obliged to produce.

So... technically he didn't lie. He was only derelict in his duty.
12 posted on 06/04/2003 7:35:41 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: Egregious Philbin
I totally agree, if he lied, hell, impeach him.

At this point, I have seen absolutely no evidence that he has lied, and I seriously doubt there is such evidence. Of all the possible explanations that will exists (hundreds?) for what we do or dont find (it could take years),only one will be "the President lied".... of course, I know which one the Bush Haters will latch on too...

13 posted on 06/04/2003 7:37:25 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: theDentist
It's old news. Time to whack Iran, then kick Syria's sorry ass.
14 posted on 06/04/2003 7:37:36 AM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: vin-one
hard to take an article like this when you know the author is lying himself
I doubt that this guy, one trusted bush, or supported the war


How do you know?

how much more is it going to take to convince people that this act was justified
they have already found mobile weapons labs, missle programs to deliver the WMD's
and massive human rights violations.


The issue is not about Iraq's human rights violations, or the labs or missiles, but that there is "hardly convincing evidence of the specific, tangible threat repeatedly outlined by the President." Empty labs and missiles do not constitute an immediate threat to the U.S. or the region.

by the way where is the barf alert

If you couldn't figure out the content by the title...
15 posted on 06/04/2003 7:38:42 AM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: Egregious Philbin
Empty labs and missiles do not constitute an immediate threat to the U.S. or the region.

Sure they do, depends on what you consider immediate. How long would it take an empty mobile lab to be fired up again and produce quantities of a substance neccessary to kill several thousand people? One month? One year? Two, three years? Immediate enough for me. How long does it take to get those missle parts put together to deliver the stuff. One month? A year? Immediate enough for me.

16 posted on 06/04/2003 7:41:52 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: Egregious Philbin
>>>>When a president lies or exaggerates in making an argument for war, when he spins the facts to sell his case, he betrays his public trust, and he diminishes the credibility of his office and our country

Yet, no one cares about this:

Excerpted...Long: http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/cfsp-00-f-6.htm

NIX TO BLIX: MAN WHO CERTIFIED IRAQ AS NON-NUCLEAR IS UNLIKELY TO FIND -- OR EVEN TO SEEK -- SADDAM'S HIDDEN WEAPONS

Security Council's Choice is Sure Sign of End of 'Containment' Center for Security Policy SECURITY FORUM No. 00-F 6 27 January 2000

...The second has been the failure to implement Congress's Iraq Liberation Act - which was supposed to fund the overthrow of the dictator by native opposition groups. President Bill Clinton signed the 1998 act which was supposed to invest $97 million in this project. Apparently only $20,000 has been disbursed to the opposition groups - enough to buy some basic office supplies. The London office of the Iraqi National Congress, the main democratic opposition group, shut down at the end of last year. All this dithering and incompetence has enabled Saddam to replace his bombast after the Gulf War with a credible claim to have rolled back allied achievements then.

Where did that money go?

17 posted on 06/04/2003 7:44:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.)
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To: zarf
That's a seperate debate.

We're still looking for wmd. Have we looked at these 3 ships?

18 posted on 06/04/2003 7:54:25 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: theDentist
No public updates on those ships since February. US and British Intel are monitoring. John Eldridge, editor of Jane's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Defence, said Saddam Hussein would have been "extremely sensible" to hide weapons at sea.

There is a reluctance to stop and search the vessels for fear that any intervention might result in them being scuttled. If they were carrying chemical and biological weapons, or fissile nuclear material, and they were to be sunk at sea, the environmental damage could be catastrophic.

19 posted on 06/04/2003 8:05:58 AM PDT by Calpernia (Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.)
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To: Egregious Philbin
How do you know?

Classic ploy by the author, says he supports the concept then hammers it
and the issue has always been more than WMD's, the media spin put it solely on WMD's
Since we have not found the WMD's where do you think they are
similar to having gas stations with no cars, does not make sense to me.
20 posted on 06/04/2003 8:12:19 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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