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E.P.A. Says Catalytic Converter Is Growing Cause of Global Warming
The New York Times | May 29, 1998 | Matthew L. Wald

Posted on 06/03/2003 11:49:19 PM PDT by prisoner6

E.P.A. Says Catalytic Converter Is
Growing Cause of Global Warming
By Matthew L. Wald
Copyright 1998 The New York Times
May 29, 1998

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WASHINGTON -- The catalytic converter, an invention that has sharply
reduced smog from cars, has now become a significant and growing
cause of global warming, according to the Environmental Protection
Agency.

Hailed as a miracle by Detroit automakers even today, catalytic
converters have been reducing smog for 20 years. The converters break
down compounds of nitrogen and oxygen from car exhaust that can
combine with hydrocarbons, also from cars, and be cooked by sunlight
into smog.

But researchers have suspected for years that the converters
sometimes rearrange the nitrogen-oxygen compounds to form nitrous
oxide, known as laughing gas. And nitrous oxide is a potent
greenhouse gas, more than 300 times more potent than carbon dioxide,
the most common of the gases, that is warming the atmosphere,
according to experts.

This spring, the EPA published a study estimating that nitrous oxide
now comprises about 7.2 percent of the gases that cause global
warming. Cars and trucks, most fitted with catalytic converters,
produce nearly half of that nitrous oxide, the study said. (Other
sources of nitrous oxide include everything from nitrogen-based
fertilizer to manure from farm animals.)

The EPA study also showed that nitrous oxide is one of a few gases
for which emissions are increasing rapidly. Collectively known as
greenhouse gases, they trap heat in the earth's atmosphere.

The increase in nitrous oxide, the study notes, stems from the growth
in the number of miles traveled by cars that have catalytic
converters. And the problem has worsened as improvements in catalytic
converters, changes that have eliminated more of the nitrogen-oxygen
compounds that cause smog, have conversely produced more nitrous
oxide.

Wylie J. Barbour, an EPA official who worked on the recently
published inventory, said that the problem created by the converter
is classic. "You've got people trying to solve one problem, and as is
not uncommon, they've created another."

Nitrous oxide, or N2O, is not regulated because the Clean Air Act was
written in 1970 to control smog, not global warming. And no
regulations exist to control gases that are believed to cause global
warming.

The United States and the other industrialized nations agreed in
Kyoto, Japan, last December to lower emissions of greenhouse gases to
5 percent below 1990 levels, over the next 10 to 15 years, but the
agreement has not been approved by the Senate, and no implementing
rules have been written.

"This hadn't really been on people's radar screen until climate
change started becoming an issue," said one EPA official involved in
reducing pollution from cars, who asked not to be identified by name.

The EPA has not proposed a solution at this point, and is seeking
public comment on its study. Auto industry experts say they could
solve the problem by tinkering with the catalytic converter, but some
environmentalists suggest that the growing production of nitrous
oxide is yet another reason to move away from gasoline-powered cars.
The EPA's study estimated that nitrous oxide may represent about one-
sixth of the global warming effect that results from gasoline use.

"It's like, clean is not green," said Sheila Lynch, executive
director of the Northeast Alternative Vehicle Coalition, a public-
private partnership that encourages non-traditional power sources.

Another expert, Christopher S. Weaver, an engineering consultant who
wrote a study on the subject for the environmental agency, said, "We
haven't cared enough to establish standards."




Precisely how much nitrous oxide the converters produce remains an
issue. A report used by the EPA in preparing its greenhouse gas
study, calculated that a car with a fuel economy of about 19 miles a
gallon would produce .27 grams of nitrous oxide per mile. That
represents an amount that is about one-third the limit of emissions
for nitrogen oxide, the chemicals causing smog.

Steven H. Cadle, a research scientist at General Motors, said, "it's
a huge number." In contrast, an older car without a catalytic
converter produces much larger amounts of nitrogen oxides, but only
about a tenth as much nitrous oxide, the greenhouse gas.

The EPA calculated that production of nitrous oxide from vehicles
rose by nearly 50 percent between 1990 and 1996 as older cars without
converters have neared extinction. Using a standard unit of measure
for global warming gases, millions of metric tons of carbon
equivalent, nitrous oxide emissions rose to 54.7 million tons from
36.7 million during those years, the study said.

The contradictory impact of the converter has not been lost on
environmental officials or industry experts, who continue to debate
not only the extent of the growing problem as well as how to reduce
the emissions in future years.

Ned Sullivan, the head of the Maine Department of Environmental
Protection, said the converter problem requires a "comprehensive"
response. "This specific issue fits into a broader context that our
regulatory system has tended to deal with pollutants on an
individual, rather than a comprehensive, basis," he said.

He and others favor moving away from today's typical car design, a
big gasoline engine driving the wheels, to electric cars. Maine would
like electric cars. Another solution is hybrid cars, which use small,
efficient engines running on gasoline to help turn the wheels and to
charge batteries for electric motors that also run the wheels. Those
have much higher fuel economy, and thus lower greenhouse gas
emissions.

Car industry experts, however, favor less drastic changes. They
propose cutting nitrous oxide production by adjusting catalytic
converters in future models. They suspect that the gas is produced
when the converter is warming up, and believe the converters could be
redesigned to reach optimum temperature faster. That would also help
them destroy other pollutants better.

Weaver said that measurements on more kinds of cars and light trucks
would be needed to be certain about the size of the problem. But
Weaver said, "It is quite clear that you produce nitrous oxide in a
catalyst, in some circumstances."

At the Union of Concerned Scientists, an environmental group, an
expert on transportation pollution, Roland Hwang, said, "We can't be
pushing forward trying to reduce smog while making the global warming
problem worse; we can't have programs that undercut each other." He
said this was evidence that the transportation system would have to
use something besides gasoline.

Cadle, of General Motors would not go that far. But, he said, "You
have to be holistic and try and look at everything, which is
obviously difficult."


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converters sometimes rearrange the nitrogen-oxygen compounds to form nitrous oxide, known as laughing gas.

So let me get this straight. According to the EPA we're still gonna cook to death, but we'll die laughing thanks to their meddling.

Can't somebody invent a fuel that produces BEER as it's only byproduct?

I found this article on the Yahoo Chrysler minivan group, but I don't think I can link directly to it.

prisoner6

1 posted on 06/03/2003 11:49:20 PM PDT by prisoner6
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To: prisoner6; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Mama_Bear; doug from upland; WolfsView; Issaquahking; amom; ...
This reminds me of MTBE. First you put it in, then you take it out.

Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.

3 posted on 06/04/2003 12:06:44 AM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ancient_geezer; Grampa Dave; Lancey Howard; TomB; Congressman Billybob; ...
More musical chairs as they search for another "demon gas"
4 posted on 06/04/2003 12:09:11 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: prisoner6
The EPA now thinks catylic converters are environmentally incorrect?? LMAO, that's what we get from a bunch of bureaucrats oblivious to reality. Namely that life involves trade-offs. Oh as for "global warming" its been an unusually cool June in California. Someone should tell the EPA about our unusual weather. I don't see the urgency in ditching the most important anti-pollution device in modern cars to fix a problem that most of us just don't see.
5 posted on 06/04/2003 12:11:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: prisoner6
Global warming is pure BS, just more junk science thought up to outlaw freedom and fun in any other form than the Green Wienies find fit.

Maybe the exhaust from the outboard engines on Green Peace's Zodiacs are causing blue whales to go belly up, and the pitons from Sierra Clubbers are going to crumble El Capitan in Yosimite. Let us all contimplate. I'm sure some polution is caused by the manufacturing of the paper their propaganda is printed on, and the ink probably polutes ground water tables when we throw it in the dump.

We can blame everything on anybody or anything if we are creative.
6 posted on 06/04/2003 12:12:29 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (If he's a cowboy, then I like cowboys. ><>)
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To: prisoner6

At the Union of Concerned Scientists, an environmental group, an
expert on transportation pollution, Roland Hwang, said, "We can't be
pushing forward trying to reduce smog while making the global warming
problem worse; we can't have programs that undercut each other."
He
said this was evidence that the transportation system would have to
use something besides gasoline.

As we get down to the bottom line of what this is all about.

Just to put things in some perspective:

Mankind's impact is only 0.28% of Total Greenhouse effect

" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,
and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;
in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

 

Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)

Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics  % of All Greenhouse Gases

% Natural

% Man-made

 Water vapor 95.000% 

 94.999%

0.001% 
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 

 3.502%

0.117% 
 Methane (CH4) 0.360% 

 0.294%

0.066% 
 Nitrous Oxide (N2O) 0.950% 

 0.903%

0.047% 
 Misc. gases ( CFC's, etc.) 0.072% 

 0.025%

0.047% 
 Total 100.00% 

 99.72

0.28% 

7 posted on 06/04/2003 12:12:32 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: goldstategop
It's been unusually cool here in W PA too and our winter was >almost< as cold as some of the ones I remember when I was a kid.

Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of Global Warming. It would save me the time and trouble of moving south.

prisoner6

8 posted on 06/04/2003 12:15:17 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6

9 posted on 06/04/2003 12:16:06 AM PDT by Consort
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To: prisoner6
Hey, how about this part ... "nitrous oxide is a potent greenhouse gas, more than 300 times more potent than carbon dioxide," ... Does this mean that we can get a laughing high on CO2?
10 posted on 06/04/2003 12:21:23 AM PDT by fella
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To: skeetr
Does the EPA not read the news? Lots of articles out there from scientists that say global warming is BS.

That tells us that the EPA is BS, but we already knew that.

11 posted on 06/04/2003 12:32:19 AM PDT by c-b 1
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To: fella
I'm gonna go sniff my van's tailpipe to see...

prisoner6

12 posted on 06/04/2003 12:48:21 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: goldstategop
A cool June in Ca.? Not where I live, Sierra Nevada, 4000 feet.
13 posted on 06/04/2003 12:48:51 AM PDT by golder
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!!
14 posted on 06/04/2003 3:08:23 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: prisoner6
I didn't even have to read the article to know this is all bunk.

Global warming my behind! It's June 3rd and its 58 degrees outside. Kids should be swimming and it feels like football weather.

These environazis (and everyone at EPA qualifies) need to be burned alive to provide us some warmth. We are all freezing to death here.

(For the cognitively challenged the above paragraph is obviously tongue-in-cheek. The author does not promote or condone burning environazis at the stake regardless of the needed heat output that would result. Burning them stacked like cordwood gives a far longer lasting and more complete burn, resulting in greater total heat output. :^p )

15 posted on 06/04/2003 7:06:35 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: prisoner6
Late morning bumpers.

prisoner6

16 posted on 06/04/2003 7:06:59 AM PDT by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: prisoner6
This article is pure crap. The scientists "suspected". The EPA "estimated". N2O is produced "in some quantity in some circumstances". Could they fit any more weasel words into one article?

And why does Maine want electrically powered cars, anyway? That state has a pretty low population density and people there tend to drive fairly long distances, so local polution is not a big problem and electric cars are not very practical.
17 posted on 06/04/2003 7:14:45 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: skeetr
Does the EPA not read the news? Lots of articles out there from scientists that say global warming is BS.

It is interesting that the EPA is still firmly convinced that global warming exists, and even more interesting that they are basically taking some of the blame for it. If... IF global warming is eventually proven beyond speculation and junk science (which I doubt), that will mean that the EPA did not solve the pollution problems in the high-population areas. The problem just changed from smog in the cities to greenhouse gas *everywhere*. Early automobile pollution control hardware was referred to as "anti-smog", IIRC. More proof that the EPA is the intersection where socialism and environmentalism meet.

At least I live in a state that does not have a "sniffer" test as part of the annual vehicle inspection. Heck, they don't even peek underneath to see if the cats are still there.

Buy a hacksaw today... help save the planet. ;-)

18 posted on 06/04/2003 7:29:41 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: -YYZ-
They want electric cars for the same reasons GM & Firestone wanted cities to destroy their street car tracks. Baltimore did and destroyed the tracks to Annapolis. There is a bike path in it's place and they can't find a way to rebuild them at taxpayers expense.

Always follow the money.
19 posted on 06/04/2003 7:36:51 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: prisoner6; farmfriend
And no regulations exist to control gases that are believed to cause global warming.

They have no proof but that never stopped them from their BS before...

20 posted on 06/04/2003 8:04:42 AM PDT by tubebender ((?))
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