Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Amateur Trapshooting Association Mulls Move to Indiana
The Shelbyville News ^ | Monday, June 02, 2003 | By JOHN WALKER

Posted on 06/02/2003 6:26:17 PM PDT by brewer1516

Monday, June 02, 2003

Shelby County advantages begin to sway trapshooters

By JOHN WALKER jwalker@shelbynews

Shelby County will be the new home of the Amateur Trapshooting Association if the current leader of the world’s largest trapshooting organization has his way.

And the large majority of the ATA’s members seem to share that opinion, based on a survey recently completed by the group.

The ATA must move from its current headquarters in Vandalia, Ohio, due to the expansion of a nearby airport, and time is getting short.

“It is expected, as Dayton Airport officials have forewarned us, that after August 2005, we will not be able to hold the Grand American as it is presently configured,” ATA president Thomas Acklin said in his May “President’s Column” posted on the group’s Web site, www.shootata.com.

The Grand American World Trapshooting Championships is the ATA’s premier annual shooting event. Held for about nine days each August, “the Grand” draws thousands of participants and spectators and brings millions of dollars to the local economy.

Acklin will present the pros and cons of possible new sites to the ATA’s board of directors on Aug. 11 during this year’s Grand American in Vandalia.

“I will be doing the presentation in favor of Shelbyville,” he said.

Delegates from each state at the group’s annual meeting are expected to vote on a new site during this year’s Grand.

Financial issues

Located east of the intersection of State Road 9 and County Road 750 North near Shelby Materials, the local site includes several separately owned tracts totaling about 1,300 acres. The price is about $4 million, according to the ATA Web site.

The problem is making the local site work financially for the ATA, said Acklin.

Local officials have put together a package of possible financial assistance totaling $5 million, according to the Web site.

However, Acklin hopes Indiana state officials will step up with some financial assistance.

Dan Theobald, executive director of the Shelby County Development Corp., said the Indiana Department of Commerce has been unable to help because its money is tied to the creation of a significant number of new jobs, which the ATA relocation would not do. However, the state has offered financial support.

“The DNR (Department of Natural Resources) already pledged some dollars to this,” he said.

That commitment is $100,000 annually from a special DNR fund that comes from fees paid for hunting and fishing licenses, Theobald said.

The county has set aside $125,000 in annual Economic Development Income Tax funds for the ATA, but has not yet actually voted to spend the money. The city of Shelbyville has not included the ATA in its EDIT plan, though it has been discussed among city officials, according to Rod Meyerholtz, clerk-treasurer of Shelbyville.

Theobald said there would probably have to be tax abatement and a Tax Increment Finance district created for the development.

The ATA is not asking for a free ride, Acklin said.

“We’re willing to service a little debt,” he said.

What the ATA’s members apparently aren’t willing to do is venture too far from their current home.

Survey says

A recent survey of ATA members seems to support Acklin’s opinion that Shelby County is the best choice for the new headquarters.

Shelby County was one of three finalists when the group originally voted in August 2001 to go to a site near Sparta, Illinois. But complications arose with that location, and the ATA resumed its search. The top contenders now listed on the ATA’s Web site are Shelby County, Las Vegas and Sparta.

Recently the ATA sent a seven-question survey to 20,000 of its members. Nearly 4,800 replied, a 24 percent response rate.

ATA members in the U.S. live in one of five zones designated by the group: Eastern, Southern, Central, Southwestern and Western. By far the largest number of survey responses, 2,094, came from the Central Zone which includes the states of North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana.

The Central Zone also contains by far the largest number of active ATA members — 12,331 or 36 percent of the group’s 34,271 active members.

The Eastern Zone, which includes the six New England states plus Delaware, Maryland, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania, contains the second-highest number of active members, 7,178, or 21 percent.

Of the survey respondents, 2,435 said they attend the Grand American every year. The vast majority of the annual attendees, 1,390 or 57 percent, live in the Central Zone. The next-largest group which attends every year, 527 or 22 percent, comes from the Eastern Zone.

Question four in the survey asked, “If the Grand moves to a location that is further away from you, how would it affect your attendance?”

Of the 1,821 total respondents from the Central Zone, 75 percent said they would attend less often or not at all. Of the 906 members who responded from the Eastern Zone, 83 percent said they’d go less often or not at all.

Perhaps the most telling question in the survey asked the respondents to rank the important factors in choosing a new location.

The largest majority named “pro-gun state” as their top choice. One issue with the site in Sparta has been Illinois’ restrictive gun laws, although state officials have reportedly been working to change them.

“Proximity to current location” was the second most important factor in picking a new location, followed by “land ownership vs. lease” and “proximity to amenities.”

The ATA would not own the site in either Sparta or Las Vegas. Both of those locations are further away from the ATA’s current home than Shelby County, and Sparta is not near any major city, all important factors to the members, according to the survey.

Acklin believes the survey clearly points to Shelby County as the best location.

“I would agree wholeheartedly,” he said.

 Content © The Shelbyville News, All Rights Reserved  Software © 1998-2003 1up! Software, All Rights Reserved


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; sportshooting; trapshooting
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last
Frankly folks, this is something of a vanity.

As reported in the article above, the Amateur Trapshooting Association must relocate and one of the locations under serious consideration is my beloved Shelby County Indiana.

I'm sure there are trapshooters out there in Freeperville and any support you could muster would be greatly appreciated.

I can't stress enough how much this move would impact the local economy (think of the children!) and knowing local support for this kind of activity (read 1st amendment rights) the ATA would be a great fit in the community.

So, if you're a member of the ATA and are willing to have your voice heard on this issue, please support the move to Shelby County Indiana.

Heck, if you are an ATA member and a Freeper, and the ATA comes to town, I'll have you over for a BBQ! (this offer limited to the first 500 Freepers).

1 posted on 06/02/2003 6:26:17 PM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
Where exactly is Shelby county? I'm not an ATA member, I shoot skeet instead, but I went to the Grand last year to have my gun serviced. Even if you don't shoot the place is fun to be at. I was surprised when I first saw how close the airport was to the lines. I especially like the fact that everyone shoots in the direction of the airport! I live near Cincinnati, about how long would the drive be?
2 posted on 06/02/2003 6:36:06 PM PDT by psstoffpatriot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: psstoffpatriot
Shelbyville is very close to Cincy.

Take Interstate 74 toward Indianapolis--oh, maybe 90 minutes.
3 posted on 06/02/2003 6:46:04 PM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
Used to trapshoot some years ago. This is an interesting article. Thanks for the post.
4 posted on 06/02/2003 6:47:12 PM PDT by lilylangtree
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: psstoffpatriot
"...and knowing local support for this kind of activity (read 1st amendment rights)."

Arghhh! Make that 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS
(Sheesh, I hate post-post editing).
5 posted on 06/02/2003 6:48:09 PM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple
Some Indy news you may be interested in.

By the way, is there an Indiana ping list?
6 posted on 06/02/2003 7:20:17 PM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516; *bang_list
Posted to *bang_list
7 posted on 06/02/2003 7:29:20 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Copernicus
Thanks for the assist.
8 posted on 06/02/2003 7:52:00 PM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
I am quite interested in anything that would help the economy. I have a relative who teaches in the Shelby schools and I know that the town's economy could use a bit of a boost.

No, there isn't an Indiana ping list, as far as I know. We probably ought to make one, especially with the governor's race coming up, which should prove to be quite interesting.

9 posted on 06/03/2003 1:33:49 AM PDT by Miss Marple
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
Heck, if you are an ATA member and a Freeper, and the ATA comes to town, I'll have you over for a BBQ!

I meet the requirements, and I like my steak rare.. :)
The Grand American having to move, is so heartbreaking for so many that attend. They have been in the same location for over 80 years.
The Cities of Vandalia, Dayton, and surrounding communites will feel the ecomonic impact. With Governor Taft's anti-gun sentiment, it is not surprising that he would let the event move out of Ohio.

I live in Northeast Ohio, and it is a long drive for me to Vandalia, so 90 mins more won't matter much.
I wish you luck, in enticing the ATA to move to Shelbyville. The membership is really against Ill. because of the gun laws.

The article you posted is on the Trapshooters.com discussion site
Check under the "Relocation thread".

Might be seeing you in 2006!

10 posted on 06/03/2003 9:57:17 AM PDT by MissTargets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: psstoffpatriot
In order for the Grand and the Ohio State Shoot (in June)to be held,
a chain link fence had to be erected along the whole mile long trap field.
Security to keep trapshooters out or in??

I'm glad you made it to the Grand. It is something to see.

11 posted on 06/03/2003 10:13:28 AM PDT by MissTargets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
See if my Uncle Larry Gravestock is still on the books for winning the Grand American ? Not sure of the date as I was a pup when he did it. I was raised shooting around him , Britt Robinson and Bill Dunlop down in Amarillo Texas....

Stay Safe !

12 posted on 06/03/2003 10:05:29 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Squantos
From the ATA web site:

5106080 - GRAVESTOCK LARRY - CA
Membership Paid: YES
Handicap
Yards 27
Lifetime
Doubles 36600
Handicap 68900
16 Yards 74000

CHAMPION YEAR EVENT CITY STATE SCORE
Larry Gravestock 1967 HOA Wichita Falls TX 976
Larry Gravestock 1970 HOA Wichita Falls TX 976
Larry Gravestock 1971 DBLS Wichita Falls TX 99
Larry Gravestock 1973 HOA Wichita Falls TX 958

Looks like your Uncle Larry was quite a shooter.

13 posted on 06/04/2003 5:10:14 AM PDT by MissTargets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Miss Marple
The ATA move would be a great asset to the area.

Considering the size of the Grand Nationals, I suspect that the economic impact would spill over into Indy.

That's a switch really; when the 500 is running, it's hard to find a hotel room here.
14 posted on 06/04/2003 5:13:43 AM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: MissTargets
"I meet the requirements, and I like my steak rare"

Well, considering the potential response, I may need to cook burgers!

I checked out one of the relocation threads on the link you provided. They seem mostly positive about a move to Indiana.

A majority of ATA members on that thread seemed to support the move here citing reasons such as: pro gun state, amenities, owning the site (as opposed to the state owning the site), etc.
15 posted on 06/04/2003 5:47:40 AM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
What about Springfield? They're always looking to "one-up" Shelbyville.
16 posted on 06/04/2003 5:52:20 AM PDT by stevio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stevio
Doh!
(it had to be said, sorry)
17 posted on 06/04/2003 5:54:24 AM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: brewer1516
New horse track may add a little to the mix!
18 posted on 06/04/2003 5:59:43 AM PDT by sausageseller
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sausageseller
Yup.
I'm not much of a gambler but I went to check out the track and it's very a very nice venue. It's also located within minutes of the proposed ATA site.

I'm curious, why would a sausage seller know so much about the location of a horse track?
What...uh...kind of sausage do you sell?
(jus kiddin' - you don't work at Klemms do you?)
19 posted on 06/04/2003 6:06:49 AM PDT by brewer1516
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: MissTargets
Yep....my other uncle Richard , Larrys brother, was actually the "better" of the two but old Richard didn't stick with it. My Grandfather had the both of em shooting at age 12 or so and they won all kinds of junior titles at state and national levels. Then Larry made it a lifetime profession pretty much......

Thanks for looking that up for me......Stay Safe !

20 posted on 06/04/2003 8:02:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson