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..'44 MINUTES' = N. Hollyood Bank Shootout TV Movie
6/1/2003 | ALOHA RONNIE

Posted on 06/01/2003 7:06:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

NEVER FORGET

...Six years ago our Hero LAPD Officers saved a North Hollywood neighborhood from further harm during a Terrorist Bank Robbery Shootout that resulted in the Deaths of the 2 heavily armed Shooters...

...after ..44 Minutes.. of nothing but combat that was as real as anything seen during the Vietnam War.

.."44 MINUTES".. airs tonight at 8pm PDT on the Special Effects Cable TV Movie Channel ..'Fx'.. dramatizing the Event.

...The same Civil Rights Attorney STEPHAN YAGMAN, who sued the U.S. Government on behalf of the Al Qaeda Prisoners at our Guantamino Base in Cuba after the Attacks on US on September 11, 2001, also sued these life-saving LAPD Officers on behalf of one of the North Hollywood Bank Shooters who died on the scene.

...Att. STEPHAN YAGMAN, who has been suspended twice from practicing Law in New York and California for his stealing from his clients, also has his own Farm in CASTRO's Communist Cuba, by his own public admission immediately following his being suspended from practicing Law for a 2nd Time, this time in California.

...I wonder if .."44 MINUTES".. will be sharing this with us on National TV..?

Signed:..ALOHA RONNIE / Vet-North Hollywood Bank Shootout Anniversary on Scene Ceremonies honoring our Lifesaving LAPD and LAFD Heroes

NEVER FORGET


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ak47s; bankshootout; heroes; lafd; lapd; stephanyagman
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
the Special Effects Cable TV Movie Channel ..'Fx'.

FYI, FX is a Fox channel, not a Special Effects Cable TV Movie Channel

21 posted on 06/01/2003 7:59:44 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Double Tap
You are correct. I was only commenting on the so called made for tv movie. I wouldn't have a problem if it was based on fact but now I want me one of them 600 round drum magazines for a modified AK-47 ;-)
22 posted on 06/01/2003 8:12:55 PM PDT by Normal4me (I am a militant conservative according to Petah Jennings. I LIKE it!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
A few RPGs would have taken these scum out. No need for sharpshooters. The police should have had some in stock. Of course they were so outgunned they had to commandeer and strip clean a nearby gunshop.
23 posted on 06/01/2003 8:18:40 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
and the criminals will be coming after mary lou so she won't be tattling on them anymore.
24 posted on 06/01/2003 8:22:16 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
This is the second time Blair Underwood appeared in a TV production about this. He was also a cop in the underated police drama "High Incident" from 1997. This shootout was the subject of their final episode. It came out not too long after the real robbery. I thought the show was pretty good and handled that episode well.
25 posted on 06/01/2003 8:30:05 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: ArmstedFragg
"Lankersham"

Laurel Canyon... Jeeze, how soon they forget!

26 posted on 06/01/2003 8:50:38 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: conservativefromGa
"I can't belive people can buy these guns"!!!

To which the gun shop owner should have replied, "Good thing for you, they can, or you'd be sh*t outta luck right about now, wouldn't you?"

27 posted on 06/01/2003 9:07:58 PM PDT by WarSlut (Absence of proof is not proof of absence.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
NEVER FORGET
Six years ago our Hero LAPD Officers saved a North Hollywood neighborhood from further harm during a Terrorist Bank Robbery Shootout that resulted in the Deaths of the 2 heavily armed Shooters

And let us never forget that the Hollywood gun store to which the LAPD turned in order to get adequate weaponry was repaid its generosity by getting shut down by the Kalifornia government two years ago.

Seems that Kalifornia passed enough draconian anti-gun laws that the gun store could no longer remain solvent. The Liberals hailed the closure, of course.

Nevermind that the LAPD's butt would have been swiss cheese had it not been for the arsenal at that "oh so horrible" gun store in Hollywood...

-Jay

28 posted on 06/01/2003 9:10:01 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (When the smoke cleared, the terrorist was over there...and over there...and over there...)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
This is the second time Blair Underwood appeared in a TV production about this. He was also a cop in the underated police drama "High Incident" from 1997. This shootout was the subject of their final episode. It came out not too long after the real robbery. I thought the show was pretty good and handled that episode well.

High Incident was terrific. Too bad ABC stuck it in the 8 o'clock time slot on Thursdays, opposite Friends. It never had a chance. And that final episode, the NoHo shootout finale, was just amazing. Infinitely better than 44 Minutes.

Also, you're getting Blair Underwood confused with Mario Van Peeples -- who starred in another great, ill-fated cop series, Michael Mann's Robbery Homicide Division (cancelled last year by CBS, but still showing in reruns on USA Network).

29 posted on 06/01/2003 9:14:54 PM PDT by WarSlut (Absence of proof is not proof of absence.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I made tapes of the news footage and watched them for refreshing my memory. Definately some anti gun babble in this flick. But I thought it was entertaining! Explained it all to my 12 year old son. Then showed him the real footage. He shot a friends ak in the desert a few month ago and had a blast. Plus he shot some other guns.
30 posted on 06/01/2003 9:18:52 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Daddy needs a Hummer! The H2 will do!)
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To: Koblenz
Yes, just saw the scene where the cops go to get AR-15s. "I can't believe they let people buy things like this". "Good credit, 10 day waiting period, no criminal record ....."

I would say it was damn good for the good guys there *was* a well stocked gun store near by.

31 posted on 06/01/2003 9:26:57 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: fishbabe; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Ragtime Cowgirl; Alamo-Girl; Fred Mertz; VOA; miss print; ...
...MARY LOU HOLTE has been fighting Criminals to clean up her neighborhood for decades and has already been attacked by them =

...A selfless American Hero
32 posted on 06/01/2003 9:27:20 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Bill Lumbergh: Ahh, I'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to come in on Sunday, too...

33 posted on 06/01/2003 9:33:26 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Ronnie I saw the movie

That piece of revisionalist crap I ever saw I saw whole thing DOWN LIVE ON LOCAL TV

HELLO

Hey Rupe love the revisionalist story dude

PLEASE everybody know that the gun man were arm to TILT
34 posted on 06/01/2003 9:42:40 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in it for truth, justice, and the American way=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: US_MilitaryRules; Alamo-Girl; AnnaZ; RonDog; gc4nra; HangFire; amom; Mr.B.goes.to.Washington; ...
...MARY LOU HOLTE is the only one to bring a Counter Lawsuit to have Att. STEPHAN YAGMAN disbarred in California after he filed against the Hero LAPD Officers of the North Hollywood Bank Shootout.

...No action was taken by a Judge on MARY LOU's Counter Lawsuit, nor did the California State Bar ever disbarr YAGMAN.

...YAGMAN continues to sue the LAPD "en masse" after the LAPD's Rampart Division Scandal broke and the Federal Monitoring Judge just appointed him to help monitor the LAPD for the Federal Monitor.

As our Hero LAPD Officers continue to put their lives on the line for us 24/7.
35 posted on 06/01/2003 10:52:46 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com..)
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To: Dead Dog
If you don't know how to shoot well, an AR-15 is a better choice than a deer rifle.
36 posted on 06/01/2003 11:02:19 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
I made tapes of the news footage and watched them for refreshing my memory.

A couple of years ago, I worked on a pilot for Fox, and had some dealings with some of their "executives". One of their favorites was a gal whose claim to fame was that she'd staged news coverage for another network. Most of the rest of the group was cut from the same mold. I kept wondering if Rupert actually knew these people were working for him. From the looks of the "slant" on "44 minutes", they're still there.

Although I watched the incident live while listening to the LAPD radio system at the same time, I didn't tape the coverage, so I have only memory to rely on. I'd be interested in your observations about the most obvious disparities you spotted.

What stood out to me was primarily the sort of time distortions that happen in the course of trying to turn a real-life event into a dramatic piece, and they involved:

1. The number of units on scene when the duo first exited was much lower than depicted.

2. The firefight at the bank, and at the end, played-out far faster than depicted, with the time between SWAT crashing the car and Emil going down being just seconds.

3. SWAT was there sooner than depicted.

4. Instead of being a whiney ditz, the RTO in question did one of the most amazing dispatching jobs in history, at times actually taking command to try to bring order to the chaos. There were actually several RTO's involved, and a number of them were recongnized for their performance

5. The B&B guns were actually were scene sooner and some were employed.

And finally: Probably the greatest distortion was inadvertent and due to the problems that come from just trying to frame an interesting shot. In the course of doing so, the distances involved were thrown off. These guys were in what would be a perfect defensive position, with clear fields of fire and a lot of open space with little or no cover. The combination of the loss of that perspective and the dimishment of intensity caused by the time-stretching involved really watered-down just how intense an experience it was. Almost all the second-guessing messages on this thread are based on the fictional depiction, and most of them would not have been posted had their authors lived through the actual experience.

What think you?

37 posted on 06/01/2003 11:28:47 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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bflr
38 posted on 06/02/2003 12:31:57 AM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks for the heads up!
39 posted on 06/02/2003 7:52:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wontbackdown
How outrageous! There should be a law that no criminal shall receive medical treatment before all victims are treated.

While I agree in principle, there are a few problems.

First off, the Hippocratic Oath makes no mention of the patient's status as criminal or victim.

Secondly, without a conviction (and you know how long that takes) there are no criminals there at the scene. Sure, there may be reasonable suspicion that one or more people are Bad Guys, but again without a conviction they're to be considered innocent. I'm a big fan of due process...

40 posted on 06/02/2003 8:08:52 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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