[Remedy]

Romans 1: 28 - 32 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

What Is "A Homosexual" Kinsey's published data reveal that homosexuals are much more willing to "try it" with an animal, a child, a man, many women, or for that matter "something completely different."

The Decline of a Nation

[Billthedrill]

Good Lord - looks like it's time for BtD to come out of the closet. Yep, folks, I'm...a normophilic.

I'm so ashamed...

[Libertarianize the GOP]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[Billthedrill]

BTW, I'm not sure I'd lean too heavily on Kinsey as an authority on anything in the field. The guy had...issues...

[Remedy]

San Francisco Sodomite psychobabble ping

[Uncle Miltie]

"There is nothing wrong with homosexuality pedophilia. People are born that way. Who are we to judge?" </moral relativism>

[RLK]

Should the APA and the DSM be denormalized?

[visualops]

sought direct, empirically provable evidence; not of the pathological origins of a condition, but of its disabling effect in the present

So the claim is pedophilia has no disabling effects?
S&M has no disabling effects?
So if a guy chains a 12 year old girl up in his basement and molests her for months, that's not sick?

I think the white coats are on the wrong people.

This is more than just a religious issue. This is an issue of nurturing, civilized behavior that concerns the general well-being of humans, including hope for the future.

[kegler4]

If you're going to post more of your mostly useless references you might consider the source.

It's been shown time and again that Kinsey's research was terribly flawed because of the samples used. As a result, the conclusions are completely suspect. You should know this considering your supposed expertise in this topic.

Many of your legal references are also basically useless because they were compiled by groups with a certain viewpoint and therefore are not meant to be objective. These people aren't going to show the research or legal arguments that support the other side and neither will you. If I had enough legal expertise, I could probably file a brief that would persuasively argue that the sky is green. That's the nature of the beast. Just because a brief is filed in a court case doesn't make it true. Or did you not know that?

However, I'll surprise you by agreeing that these things being discussed most certainly should not be considered "normal."

[kegler4]

Let me change that to "most" of these things being discussed shouldn't be considered normal. Something tells me that the vast majority of people have participated in some form of voyeurism, even it is as simple as looking at a Playboy or Playgirl. I'm sure you've never done that, though.

[ImaGraftedBranch]

²¹For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. ²²Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools ²³and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
²⁴Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. ²⁵They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
²⁶Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. ²⁷In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
²⁸Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. ²⁹They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, ³⁰slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; ³¹they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. ³²Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[Right Wing Professor]

That slope sure is slippery. Looks like we're slidin' pretty fast.

[Slyfox]

"Any sexual interest," Moser concluded in his Archives commentary, "can be healthy and life-enhancing."

This guy is full of bull crap. Any sexual interest? Sexual sadism? Rape with a twinge of murder attached? Foot and diaper fetishes? Any sexual interest? This guy is knee-deep in bull crap.

[ClearCase_guy]

gender-identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal, when, they say, it is usually an expression of healthy prehomosexuality.

So, are they moving away from the idea that homosexuals are "born that way"? If there is a prehomosexual condition then either it's a Choice or it's caused by something. If it's caused by something, they should cure it. If it's a choice, it's a bad one.

[Cicero]

The obvious natural purpose of sexuality is reproduction. Nature adds instinct and/or pleasure to encourage reproduction of the species. That follows if you are an atheistic Darwinist as well as a Christian or a Jew.

Because humans take such a long time to develop to maturity, nature encourages the development of families to raise and protect children. That also follows for Darwinists as well as Christians and Jews.

That's why homosexuality, bestiality, and other forms of aberrant behavior have traditionally been considered abnormal. Long experience as well as religious teaching has shown them to be destructive.

Some forms of sexual aberration are probably best tolerated, but should not be encouraged or "normalized" by proclamation. Among such modes of behavior are homosexuality and lesbianism. When practiced privately by consenting adults, they are still probably destructive to those who practice it, but cannot reasonably be prevented entirely.

Pederasty, rape, sadistic cruelty, and the like are not in the same class, because they harm innocent third parties. They must remain forbidden.

A question that arises is whether psychiatry itself has any social or scientific use at this juncture of history. Or should it, like phrenology, be allowed to disappear into the past as a pseudo-scientific craze rather than a true science?

[Remedy]

Will the Republicans enlarge their tent to accommodate this group which rightfully belongs to the democrats?

Will Horowitz defend the Log Cabin paraphilias?

[Salman]

But during the last three decades, psychiatry has moved away from reliance on theories of causation...

A "science" that does not recognize the principle of cause and effect.

[AdA$tra]

Among the mental illnesses being debated in the symposium at the APA's annual convention were all the paraphilias--which include pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism, and sadomasochism.

Oh good. I am finally normal.

[trebb]

"Should These Conditions Be Normalized?" : American Psychiatric Association Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder, Sexual Sadism Should Remain Mental Illnesses

Sure, normalize them - we can call it a case of the aberrations "curing" the Psychiatric industry's inability to cure the aberrations...

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

I see the APA morons are still at it. First they said adult/child sex was OK and wasn't harmful (which made me spit nails). Now they're saying that all the other pathologies should be normalized, too.

What will be on next year's agenda for normalization? Necrophilia? Bestiality? Auto-erotic asphyxiation?

[almcbean]

It appears that what Santorum was accused of saying but didn't is also coming true.