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Bush Ban on Chinese Imports
www.newsmax.com ^ | May 28, 2003 | Charles R. Smith

Posted on 05/27/2003 2:17:10 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe
As long as they exempt SKS rifles.
41 posted on 05/27/2003 10:02:00 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; piasa; backhoe; RaceBannon; Radix; JohnathanRGalt; kattracks
LINKS OF INTEREST:

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "CHINESE FIRM HIT WITH SANCTIONS" by Bill Gertz (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The Bush administration has imposed stiff economic sanctions on one of China's largest state-run manufacturers for selling missile-related goods to Iran. The two-year sanctions will, for the first time, bar any exports to the United States from a Chinese firm, in this case North China Industries Corp., known as Norinco, which manufactures an array of military and civilian products.") (May 23, 2003)
BUSH COUNTRY.org: "CHINA PROVIDES TERRORISM'S NEW WEAPON" by Gordon Thomas (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The world's Terror Network has been given a new weapon. It can overcome the most stringent of airport and airline security checks. Far more lethal than Semtex, it can be smuggled with virtual impunity from one country to another, one terrorist cell to another. For the 80 terror groups listed on the computers of the CIA, MI5, MI6 and Germany's BND, the weapon once more tips the scales in their favor. It is a new type of plastic explosive that was used by the two young British radical Muslims in last week's suicide bomb attack on the club in Tel Aviv. Three were killed and 50 injured. One of the suicide bombers escaped, leaving behind some explosive. After a week of intensive investigation by chemists at Israel's ultra-secret research centre in the Tel Aviv suburb of Nes Ziona, its lethal qualities and country of background have been discovered. It was at the centre, in one of the most guarded places on earth, the explosive was analyzed behind two-feet thick dun-colored concrete walls and bombproof sliding doors. The conclusion of the scientists sent a collective shock wave through the intelligence community. The Israeli experts concluded that the explosives were manufactured in the laboratories of ZDF, one of China's leading military defense contractors.") (May 20, 2003) (Read More...)
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42 posted on 05/27/2003 11:27:11 PM PDT by Cindy
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US DOJ.gov: "OREGON RESIDENT MAHER HAWASH CHARGED IN ‘PORTLAND SIX’ CONSPIRACY" (PRESS RELEASE SNIPPET: "WASHINGTON, D.C. - Attorney General John Ashcroft, Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff of the Criminal Division, U.S. Attorney Michael W. Mosman of the District of Oregon, and Special Agent in Charge Charles Mathews III of the Portland Division of the FBI today announced that Maher Mofeid Hawash has been charged with conspiracy as part of an ongoing criminal investigation into the activities of the so-called “Portland Six." Hawash, 39, of Hillsboro, Oregon, was charged in a criminal complaint with conspiracy to levy war against the United States, in violation of 18 USC Section 2384; conspiracy to provide material support and resources to al Qaeda, a foreign terrorist organization, in violation of 18 USC Section 2339B; and conspiracy to contribute services to al Qaeda and the Taliban, in violation of 50 USC Section 1705(b). The complaint alleges that Hawash, along with Jeffrey Battle, Patrice Ford, Muhammad Bilal, Ahmed Bilal and Habis Al Saoub, decided after the September 11th attacks to fight a jihad. The charges allege that the defendants began to travel to Afghanistan in October 2001 to join forces with Taliban and al Qaeda troops fighting U.S. and allied military personnel. According to the complaint, which was filed before U.S. District Judge Robert E. Jones, Hawash left the United States on Oct. 24, 2001, and flew to Hong Kong, where he joined defendants Battle, Ford, Ahmed Bilal, Muhammad Bilal and Al Saoub, and entered into China. The complaint alleges that Hawash traveled with the other defendants to Urumqi and Kashgar in the Xinjaing Province in Western China, and to Beijing, in an attempt to enter Afghanistan and fight against U.S. forces after Sept. 11, 2001. The complaint alleges that Hawash and the other defendants stayed at the same hotels in China on at least three occasions: at the Shan Cheng Hotel in Urumqi; at the Chini Bagh Guest House in Kashgar, China, in October 2001, where Hawash and Battle shared a room; and at the Jing Hua Hotel in Beijing, with a departure date of Nov. 11, 2001.") (April 28, 2003) (Read More...)
WorldNetDaily.com: "CHINA SET TO FIELD WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL TANK Communist State Also Improving Laser Systems, Naval Capabilities" by Jon Dougherty (May 12, 2003) (Read More...)

FOX NEWS.com (AP): "FORMER FBI AGENT INDICTED IN CHINA SPY CASE" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "WASHINGTON -- A federal grand jury indicted a retired FBI agent Wednesday on charges of gross negligence and wire fraud for allegedly allowing his longtime intelligence source and lover access to secrets she passed on to China. The grand jury indictment returned in Los Angeles and released by the Justice Department in Washington charges James J. Smith, 59, for his role in the case of alleged Chinese double agent Katrina Leung. Court documents say that Smith recruited Leung in 1982 to be an FBI "asset" providing intelligence on China and that the two began a long-lasting affair that year. Prosecutors say Leung pilfered classified material from Smith's briefcase when he visited her home and passed the information to Chinese intelligence agents.") (May 7, 2003) (Read More...)
An Informative Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding an ASSOCIATED PRESS article by Curt Anderson as published on BAYAREA.com in the CONTRA COSTA TIMES.com: "DOUBLE-AGENT MET 2,100 TIMES WITH CHINESE OFFICIALS" (May 2, 2003) (Read More...)
WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "NORTH KOREA FIRED LASER AT TROOPS" by Bill Gertz (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "However, U.S. intelligence officials said an internal analysis of the incident suggests North Korea has acquired Chinese-made ZM-87 antipersonnel lasers. "These are blinding laser weapons," said one official. According to the officials, the two Apache attack helicopters were airborne about two miles south of the milewide DMZ when laser sensors on both aircraft went off. The ZM-87 is the world's only laser device designed for use against troops. It can cause injuries to human eyes at a range of just under two miles, and with a special magnification device it can damage eyes at distances of up to three miles, military specialists say.") (May 13, 2003) (Read More...)
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INATODAY.com - INTERNATIONAL NEWS ANALYSIS -- TODAY by Toby Westerman: "FASCIST AMERICA? Russia and Communist Cuba Join In 'Anti-Fascist-Front'" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "At the Moscow meeting, Russia declared that Cuba is its "key partner in Latin America." The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a press statement referring to an "active political dialogue based on mutual trust" between Russia and Cuba. "The two countries have similar or identical stances on a whole number of global political issues. Most importantly…on the construction of a fair and stable world order," the Russian Foreign Ministry declared. The "construction of a fair and stable world order" for Cuba and Russia includes sophisticated intelligence operations against the United States. Cuban operates a sophisticated intelligence program against the U.S. One of its highly placed agents, Ana Belen Montes, worked at the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency before her arrest and conviction of espionage in October 2002. The "Wasp Network," a Cuban espionage group spying on U.S. military facilities, was uncovered by the FBI and five of its leaders convicted in 2001. In 2001 the U.S. intelligence community was rocked by the discovery that top FBI intelligence agent Robert Hanssen spied on his country for Moscow for 20 years. On the island of Cuba, Russia still operates the Lourdes spy base, while Russia's close ally, China, is constructing a similar base not far away from Lourdes.") (April 29, 2003) (Read More...)
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INSIGHT On The News online - Fair Comment: "SALE OF TELECOM FIRM TO CHINA POSES ESPIONAGE THREAT" by Rep. Jim Saxton (Read More...)

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WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "CHINESE SOLD IRAQ 'DUAL-USE' CHEMICAL" by Bill Gertz (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Despite French denials, U.S. intelligence and defense officials have confirmed that Iraq purchased from China a chemical used in making fuel for long-range missiles, with help from brokers in France and Syria.") (March 15, 2003) (Read More...)
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43 posted on 05/27/2003 11:46:31 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Tailgunner Joe
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44 posted on 05/28/2003 3:00:49 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Even the "junk" Norinco SKS's shoot, and shoot rather well.

Let's not set up another "Saturday night special"-type discrimination against affordable weaponry.
That sort of thing plays too well into the hands of the hoplophobes.
45 posted on 05/28/2003 6:49:42 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob
Let's not set up another "Saturday night special"-type discrimination against affordable weaponry.

I was expressing an informed opinion about Norinco quality.

I don't think my opinion had anything to do with Bush's decision. Call me crazy.

46 posted on 05/28/2003 6:52:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: RusIvan
I have heard about Chinese laborers who come to the big cities looking for work, then they are practically held hostage by companies who pay them little and then take most of that pay back to give them a tiny bed in a room shared with other hostage workers. They work many hours then they are too tired and broke to leave or complain. They get a dime or so to send home and we get name brands like Timberline and Blaupunkt. And Norinco.
47 posted on 05/28/2003 7:05:21 AM PDT by Sender
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To: HighRoadToChina
Hey David, in answer to your question at the end of the article; only after a catastrophe that can be plainly traced to Chinese support, or an all out military attack by China against an US interest.

But I'll still teach and preach the boycott of ALL Chinese made products.

I tell people I know, that if MY son dies in battle with the Chinese, or a Chinese ally, after watching their continued, unbridle consumption of Chinese products, I'm going to take it personally.
48 posted on 05/28/2003 7:20:45 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (If he's a cowboy, then I like cowboys. <><)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No great loss. Norinco SKSs are junk, made from stamped parts. I got rid of mine and got a Russian model with milled parts. A much better gun.

??? I've had early and post-ban Norinco SKS rifles. Only the trigger housing was changed to stamped steel in later production runs; the rest of the firearm is forged. Both versions were acceptably accurate. I agree that the original Russian version is a nicer weapon, but the differences that you mention are mostly aesthetic.

Anyway, the biggest news here is the non-firearms stuff. Looks like dark days ahead for Harbor Freight Tools, Big Lots, etc. - I'll happily continue to forego the Chinese guns if this action rids our retailers' shelves of potmetal socket wrenches and similar garbage (I can dream, can't I?).

49 posted on 05/28/2003 7:43:43 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Charles Martel
??? I've had early and post-ban Norinco SKS rifles. Only the trigger housing was changed to stamped steel in later production runs; the rest of the firearm is forged.

I bought 3 Norinco SKSs about 1994 for $79 each at a Houston gun show. One of them was so far off target I could not drift the sights far enough to bring it in. Only one of them really shot well. I sold them for more than I paid for them a year later and bought a Russian SKS that is a tack driver with the standard iron sights.

You're right, it may all be aesthetics, but that's part of what guns are all about. Otherwise we would all be shooting Daisies.

50 posted on 05/28/2003 7:55:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
If you wait until they have killed or injured your son, that's too late. Get personal now! Save your son and many sons and daughters from a certain confrontation with these Communists!
51 posted on 05/28/2003 8:03:40 AM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: HighRoadToChina
Ex customer ( = me) of cheap RED ammo bump....
52 posted on 05/28/2003 11:19:41 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: HighRoadToChina
Good News!
53 posted on 05/28/2003 6:42:20 PM PDT by Barnacle (A Human Shield Against the Onslaught of Leftist Tripe.)
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To: HighRoadToChina
I do believe my warning is getting personal. I will shoot them dead if my son gets killed as I suggested. To do that now would leave my wife and son with seeing me through bars for quite a long time.
54 posted on 05/28/2003 10:24:06 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (If he's a cowboy, then I like cowboys. <><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Let's work together to prevent such a horrible future by stopping the "blood transfusion" of our money into Communist China. Tell everyone you know to never ever buy a Made in China product again.
55 posted on 05/29/2003 3:13:27 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Let's work together to prevent such a horrible future by stopping the "blood transfusion" of our money into Communist China. Tell everyone you know to never ever buy a Made in China product again.
56 posted on 05/29/2003 3:22:59 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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