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Muslim Woman Fights To Keep On Veil For License Photo (Updated)
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Posted on 05/27/2003 1:54:32 PM PDT by chance33_98

Muslim Woman Fights To Keep On Veil For License Photo

Posted: 12:34 p.m. EDT May 27, 2003

Updated: 2:51 p.m. EDT May 27, 2003 ORLANDO, Fla. -- Florida's refusal to issue a driver's license to a Muslim woman unless she is photographed without her veil violates her religious rights, an ACLU attorney argued in court Tuesday. The requirement by the state Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles is a burden on Saltaana Freeman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam whose religious beliefs require her to keep her head and face covered out of modesty, said Howard Marks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

"This is about religious liberty. It's about whether this country is going to have religious diversity,'' said Marks at the beginning of Freeman's nonjury trial. "Allowing the state to chip away at religious liberties is not a path we want to go down.''

"There's no dispute in this case, your honor, that my client came to Florida in February 2001, was issued a Florida driver's license persuant to the rules and regulations in place at that time," Marks said. "The testimony is going to be that the law has not changed."

Marks also pointed out that Florida has issued more than 800,000 temporary driving permits in the last five years without photographs. And that some of the driver's license photos are 18 years old and barely resemble the card holder.

But Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail argued that having an easily identifiable photo on a driver's license was a matter of public safety since the photos are used during traffic stops, in financial transactions and to prevent identity fraud. Vail said there are limits to the religious liberties extended in the Florida Constitution if public safety is at stake.

"It's the primary method of identification in Florida and the nation,'' Vail said of the driver's license. "I don't think there can be any doubt there is a public safety interest.'' Circuit Judge Janet C. Thorpe must decide whether taking the photo would violate Freeman's religious beliefs and if the state has a compelling interest in not allowing her to obtain a license with her covered face in a photo.

In February 2001, Freeman obtained a Florida driver's license that had a photo of her face covered in a veil, but she received a letter from the state nine months later warning that it would revoke her license unless she returned for a photo with her face uncovered.

She refused and sued for the right to get a driver's license with a photo showing her face uncovered.

Her attorneys argued that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in the photo until after the Sept. 11 attacks, an allegation denied by attorneys for the state.

Florida attorneys plan to call Islamic experts to the stand this week to testify that it is not mandatory or a sin for a Muslim woman to show her face for a state issued photograph, according to Local 6 News

Local 6 News also reported that the state also plans to submit into evidence a Time magazine photo of Elizabeth Smart that shows part of her face veiled. Attorneys would not comment on why they want to use the photo but there is speculation that they will use it as an example that a veiled face could hinder identification for authorities.

The trial is expected to last through the week, Local 6 News reported.


TOPICS: Government; US: California; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: freeman; id; islam; michaeldobbs; muslimamericans; muslimwomen; saltaana; sultaana; turass
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To: Puppage
I just got my New Jersey drivers license with my hat on. They said it was my choice.
21 posted on 05/27/2003 2:07:18 PM PDT by mirkwood
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To: chance33_98
It's actually an interesting case. One which, when the veiled one loses it, will further define the bounds between church and state (mosque and state?)
22 posted on 05/27/2003 2:07:50 PM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: chance33_98
Hey, ACLU! I'm a drag queen during off hours and I like to wear ladies underwear on my head. Get me a driver's license with a full get up on!
23 posted on 05/27/2003 2:08:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: mirkwood
New Jersey's not Florida.
24 posted on 05/27/2003 2:08:32 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I will defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Texican72
If she were such a devout Muslim woman, why is she driving???

She's a "Cafeteria Muslim" who picks and chooses what parts of the religion she will follow and what parts she will discard.

25 posted on 05/27/2003 2:08:32 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: chance33_98
Can we just get a big sign for her vehicle that says: "Muslim at Wheel-Stay back 500'!"?

;^)

26 posted on 05/27/2003 2:08:43 PM PDT by Normal4me (I am a militant conservative according to Petah Jennings. I LIKE it!)
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To: mirkwood
I tried to get a picture of my ass. My girlfriend said I had an assface, so I tried.

No go.

27 posted on 05/27/2003 2:09:25 PM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: chance33_98
Florida's refusal to issue a driver's license to a Muslim woman unless she is photographed without her veil violates her religious rights, an ACLU attorney argued in court Tuesday

ACLU fighting to rid the schools of Christmas, this is a little over the top even for them, but then I forgot who I was referring to, they are defending NAMBLA(man-boy love assoc.).

28 posted on 05/27/2003 2:10:02 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: george wythe
To Mecca
29 posted on 05/27/2003 2:10:35 PM PDT by since1868
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To: CA_soon_gone
If she won't take the covering off to have a picture taken then anyone want to bet she drives with it on too? Religion aside, that's not safe. License revoked, next case.

Depends .... is it illegal to drive while wearing a mask? I can see your point, in that the burka would easily become like a blindfold, preventing the driver from seeing. Thus, the answer becomes one of public safety. I don't want to be hit by a driver wearing a blindfold; and I don't care what religon they are.

30 posted on 05/27/2003 2:10:43 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: dark_lord
Does anyone remember that and what the outcome of the legal cases were?

They ride the bus.

31 posted on 05/27/2003 2:12:53 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: Puppage
I agree...

"GET THE HELL OF OF THE U.S.A."
32 posted on 05/27/2003 2:12:59 PM PDT by RISU
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To: chance33_98
If she gets her way, the joke may be on her. She'll be a sitting duck for an identity thief.
33 posted on 05/27/2003 2:12:59 PM PDT by snarkpup
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To: Puppage
New Jersey's not Florida.

Unless you're comparing Supreme Courts. LOL

34 posted on 05/27/2003 2:14:39 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: All
BOO!


35 posted on 05/27/2003 2:16:34 PM PDT by Normal4me (I am a militant conservative according to Petah Jennings. I LIKE it!)
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To: enuu
And if you're a member of the KKK, you are entitled to wear your white sheet for your Driver's License photo.

I don't know...Let's ask Robert Byrd (Democrat - WV)

36 posted on 05/27/2003 2:18:21 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: chance33_98
If she refuses to have her features portrayed on her drivers license, this religious wing nut should accept that she just won't be operating a motor vehicle.
37 posted on 05/27/2003 2:20:50 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: zarf
My girlfriend said I had an assface, so I tried.

You sure know how to pick them!!!

38 posted on 05/27/2003 2:21:58 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: george wythe
Some jihadistan!
39 posted on 05/27/2003 2:23:50 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: chance33_98
I would think that anyone driving around with a burqa type head covering would be a major road hazard due to impaired vision. This Islamic nutburger had start better accepting that she's not entitled to special treatment under the law because of her religion, or else find some place to live where the law is more to her apparent taste, like Pakistan.
40 posted on 05/27/2003 2:24:03 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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