Sex and abstinence: Wait loss

World Net Daily ^ | 5-27-03 | Rebecca Hagelin

[=Intervention=]

You are also incorrect in that it's ok to show people killing each other. The level of realistic depiction of anything (sex and violence included) is vastly reduced in PG films, as opposed to R, or NC-17. So a film could concentrate on either or both subjects, but it would have to do so in a non-graphic manner. Your statement as to violence being preferred over love is not supported on a ratings basis, unless you assume that to show love must include explicit depictions of sex.

[fporretto]

Agreed. I have no doubt that one of these days, we'll straighten out our sex mess. Probably about ten minutes before the Sun goes nova.

Most of the bad things people are forever attributing to sexual indulgence -- demeaning women; conceiving children they don't want and don't know how to care for; lying to gain sexual access; marital infidelity -- are expressions of character flaws or failures of responsibility that just have sex as one of their occasions. It's a bit like the drug mess. The argument has been made that we ban drugs because intoxication is harmful to society, yet there are innumerable persons who use intoxicants modestly and cautiously, and many legal ways to get completely smashed that no one would suggest should be banned.

If we want our young folks to behave responsibly as sexual beings, we have to exhibit honesty and teach responsibility. That includes giving our kids the benefit of what we know to be true, not pretending to certainty or uniformity where it doesn't exist, and not letting them wriggle out from under the consequences of their decisions and actions. President Bush's concept of a "culture of life" seems to me to be central to that effort.

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[Abe Froman]

I would suspect you're not a father, then, expecially not of a daughter.

[ffusco]

Most of the world is rated R: suggestive language, violence and adult themes!

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I would suspect you're not a father, then, expecially not of a daughter.

Does this mean you approve of fathers telling their perfectly normal sons it would have been best had they been born without sex organs?

Or did you just react to my post without actually reading it?

Did you tell your daughters you wished that they had been born without their sex organs?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Perfectly normal fourteen year old sons, I might add, who had not quite reached puberty yet?

[Abe Froman]

I have a hard time believing that your father was completely serious when he told you that-----but I'm sure many parents could sympathize with the sentiment, especially ones with promiscuous and pregnant teenage daughters.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I have a hard time believing that your father was completely serious when he told you that-----but I'm sure many parents could sympathize with the sentiment, especially ones with promiscuous and pregnant teenage daughters.

He was dead serious.

If you think telling pre-pubescent children they should have been born without their sex organs is such a good idea, why didn't you tell your daughters that?

Or is it only boys who should be singled out for the terror treatment?

[Abe Froman]

I didn't say it was a good idea----if your dad was serious then that's just weird. However, I can sympathize with the sentiment, expressed out of frustration and/or exasperation.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

I can sympathize with the sentiment, expressed out of frustration and/or exasperation.

He had no reason to be frustrated or exasperated. I was fourteen years old. I had done nothing. I never did anything until I was in my twenties, when I went nuts.

"Deprivation dwarfism" is what happened to me.

If you do not allow your children to have normal social experiences (experiences that have nothing to do with sex), their only alternative is to have abnormal or zero social experiences.

You don't learn how to interact with other human beings in a vacuum.

[Saturnalia]

Two things:

1. Seeing as my household (living with mom & dad,
being a college boy)has a female majority (mom+ two sisters),
I've tended to treat new girls as little sisters, not potential dates.

2. Just a bit of information- Virginity rates at my university are about 14%
Abstinence programs don't seem to be working...

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Abstinence programs don't seem to be working...

In this article, the daughter is obviously traumatized by her mother's sex talk.

Something is wrong with that.

In the process of teaching children sexual morality, sex should not be turned into something ugly and frightening.

Parents who have no time for their children preach at them and then wonder what went wrong.

Parents who actually participate in their childrens' lives and actually know them fare much better.

That is my only point.

[Richard Kimball]

You do realize that your posts 6 and 7 seem to contradict each other. In 6, you use "Saving Private Ryan", probably one of the most violent mainstream movies ever made, as an example of why the woman shouldn't reject all R rated movies, then in 7 you imply that sex in a movie shouldn't be a problem, but violence should.

[Rebelbase]

"totally fallacious."

I compliment your spelling.

[Wright is right!]

"You do realize that your posts 6 and 7 seem to contradict each other. In 6, you use "Saving Private Ryan", probably one of the most violent mainstream movies ever made, as an example of why the woman shouldn't reject all R rated movies, then in 7 you imply that sex in a movie shouldn't be a problem, but violence should."

I suppose upon a cursory read, one might see a contradiction. However, the two are separate matters. One relates to the fallacious reasoning by the author that all R-rated movies are bad because of sex. I pointed out that several things can cause an R, and only one of them is sex.

In the later post, I pointed out the long-standing contradiction that exists within the entertainment industry itself - especially television - where it's OK to show violence but NOT OK to show people making love.

Two separate arguments, two separate issues.

But nice to hear from you, old friend!

Michael

[Abe Froman]

I'm talking about the exasperation/frustration of the parent with hormonally-charged teenage kids, man. Must everything be explained to you??