Where's the Muslim Debate?--Islamists try to bork Daniel Pipes. Moderates are their real target.

Wall St Journal ^ | May 22, 2003 | HUSAIN HAQQANI

[SJackson]

Some Muslim groups in the U.S. have launched a campaign to block the appointment of Daniel Pipes to the board of the United States Institute of Peace. The USIP is a taxpayer-funded institution with a mandate to promote "peaceful resolutions of international conflicts." Mr. Pipes, a Bush administration nominee, is a scholar of Islam and the Middle East and an outspoken critic of militant Islamists.

[prairiebreeze]

I understand that introspection and self-examination isn't a common trait among Muslims.

How can a race or culture hope to grow or develop without it? I guess that's what they fear....

Prairie

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

[Grampa Dave]

the Washington Post, among others, has editorialized against his appointment.

Where do the Slimes Twins, NY and LA, stand re Mr Pipes?

[Risa]

>>It's time for Muslim leaders in the U.S. to break the pattern of agitation that has characterized Muslim responses to the West. <<

What I find odd is that these Muslim goups arrive here with their own leaders, as though they brought their theocracy along with them. America is no place for a Muslim theocracy.

Who is accountable for bringing them all here in the first place?

[alloysteel]

The small minority of highly militant Muslims has successfully hijacked the entire rest of the religion, defining all of Islam, and intimidating the less fervent. There does not seem to be much hope for arousing the silent majority of Muslims, to throw off the shackles placed upon them by the Islamofascists. They live a life of despair and misery anyway, what good would it do to chase away the jackals, as a new pack of jackals would only take their place?

What we have found in Iraq is but a microcosm of the pervasive attitude throughout all of the Muslim world. The practitioners of Islam do not understand the motivations of the West. Those in the West, who claim to understand the aspirations of Islam, are lying. To both themselves, not realizing the depth of their lie, and to the Muslims, who know they are lying.

Individual Muslims can be, and some are, the most moral of people, living by the precepts that their most holy duty is love of and assistance to all fellow mankind, without expectation of any earthly reward. Others just want the rewards right now, without all this foolishness about doing good for the infidel or Jew, in fact, see it as the highest possible glory to eliminate or subjugate the Jews and infidels. Most of the rest of Muslims are somewhere between these two polar opposites. Do I understand what may steer any Muslim to either of these two extremes?

Hell no.

[Risa]

>>How can a race or culture hope to grow or develop without it?<<

Judging by the squalor, poverty, and inter-tribal wars in their countries of origin, such as Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria, Somalia and so on, it seems they can't.

At some point in their history they dumped logos (rational, forward thinking for the practical life) for a life of pure mythos.

[Risa]

>>How can a race or culture hope to grow or develop without it?<<

Judging by the squalor, poverty, and inter-tribal wars in their countries of origin, such as Syria, Palestine, Egypt, Algeria, Somalia and so on, it seems they can't.

At some point in their history they dumped logos (rational, forward thinking for the practical life) for a life of pure mythos.

[DonQ]

Moslems try to block one pro-Israel analyst but keep offering to the public as their own spokesmen representatives with distinctly pro-terrorist connections.

[Valin]

I understand that introspection and self-examination isn't a common trait among Muslims.
There has been a great deal of it(particularly the Ottoman turks)

How can a race or culture hope to grow or develop without it?
They don't. But you knew that. The rise of the "asian tigers" has particularly driving the "crisis in Islam". Unfortunaly our "good friends" the Saudis with all their money and Whabbist theology are leading the arabs down the road to permeant proverty and unrest.

[sheik yerbouty]

Saudi money.

[Salem]

"I understand that introspection and self-examination isn't a common trait among Muslims ... How can a race or culture hope to grow or develop without it?"

Islam: A Critical Review

This writer has some interesting observations on the intellectual tyranny of Islam.

[Salem]

Make sure your friends and associates have signed the Daniel Pipes petition.

Confirm D.Pipes to the USIP!

[RightWhale]

At some point in their history they dumped logos (rational, forward thinking for the practical life) for a life of pure mythos.

It happened fairly quickly, some say. When the Mongolians sacked Bagdad, that was the end of the great civilization, and when Islamist schools began appearing in Bagdad that was the beginning of the current psychology. It was quite a while ago, 7 or 8 centuries and before Columbus, which means Islam is looking forward to an exhilarating experience while it catches up with the march of civilization again.

[browardchad]

Where do the Slimes Twins, NY and LA, stand re Mr Pipes?

The paper of "diversity or die" is exactly where you would expect it to be. From a snyopsis of an April 23 article, "AFTEREFFECTS: WASHINGTON MEMO; For Muslims, a Mixture Of White House Signals," by Richard W. Stevenson of the NYT:

Article on seeming mixed messages from Bush administration about Islam; Pres Bush has consistently said Islam is religion of peace; has reached out to Muslims in his 2000 presidential campaign and after Sept 11 terrorist attacks he warned against anti-Muslim prejudice; but Daniel Pipes, his nominee to government institute, enrages American Muslims by suggesting that mosques are breeding grounds for militants and saying Muslims in government and military positions may pose security risks; Bush has embraced evangelical Christian leaders, including Rev Franklin Graham, who has cast Islam as evil; Bush's views on Islam will be scrutinized in coming months

I think you can get the gist from this -- it's archived, and I refuse to spend a dime for it. (We'll just have to wonder how many "unnamed sources" are used...)

The WaPost went further though, smearing Pipes in an official editorial -- I guess the NYTimes editors were too busy writing about the failure of the Iraqi war to pay much attention...