Pride Before The Fall (Horowitz Sticks it to the Fundies!)

FrontPage Magazine ^ | 5/20/03 | David Horowitz

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[RAT Patrol]

Bauer and the nutballs. As pure political strategy, attacking them is stupid. Why trash Bush supporters to favor RAT supporters? Principle? hahahahaha! So Bauer must sellout his principle and replace it with yours and Horowitz's? I don't THINK so!

[Remedy]

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2. Lawrence V. Texas, Brief Of The States Of Alabama, South Carolina, And Utah (S.C.O.T.U.S.& Sodomy)
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4. SODOMY : Log Cabin leader tied to Website urged murder of President Reagan, Christian leaders
5. SODOMY : NEW YORK GAY LEGISLATOR ADVOCATESDISCRIMINATION AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS
6. SODOMY : Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy'
7. SODOMY : The Lords of Bakersfield (Powerful gay men. Vulnerable teen-age boys. Murder.)
8. SODOMY : Homosexual Rape and Murder of Children

[BlueNgold]

Gary Bauer has, again, gone too far.
While he is welcome to pursue his own agenda he seems to be seeking a party policy that would prevent others with opposing views on some issues from having their voice heard. Marc meeting with the group in no way means that he has taken on their agenda, nor does it mean the party platform will be in any way affected. All it means is that they met to discuss policy.

The Presidency is a funny office. One gets there by generating the support of some of the people, but once there they become responsible for serving all of the people - even those with whom the President may disagree. To get an insight at the party level of what agenda items are important to a very vocal and active political element of our society, no matter how large or small, seems to me to be politically savvy.

There is no Utopia, there is and never will be a conservative dream state here in the U.S., but by communicating core ideals and opening doors for otheres to hear our ideas we can avoid sliding further into the liberal/socialist cesspool. I'm so tired of people on all sides of these issues harping on 'true conservatism' or 'true libertarianism'. Unless you are willing to deal with the political realities that face the world we live in you can accomplish nothing.

[biblewonk]

Horowitz seems to be reverting to leftist "logic" in debating this point.

He's using the ole "Jesus never said" trick. It is for those people that can be tricked into thinking the red letters in their bibles are more important than the black ones.

[justshutupandtakeit]

He has never been of interest to me and now is even less after spouting this bilge.

[MEG33]

Of course!

[dogbyte12]

Well I guess it's time to get rid of Acts, Romans 1,2 Cor, Gal, Eph, Phil, Col, 1,2 The, 1,2 Tim, Titus, Philemon, Heb, Jame, 1,2 Peter, 1,2,3 John, Jude and Revelation.

No... it is time to put them in perspective. Yes, homosexuality is decried in areas of the bible... not by Jesus personally though. My question is why is this the most important issue to some people, when it wasn't with Jesus. Double parking is wrong, but I would find somebody silly who made it their life long crusade to end it, while people were being stabbed around them.

Why don't we first try to address the issues Jesus preached about, then once we have mastered those, we can start working on what Paul and Timothy think.

[justshutupandtakeit]

No, he needs to use his brain rather than blowing it out his @$$. Never very relevent he now is no better objectively than a Bush-hating RAT.

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Committed homosexuals - those feeling there is nothing wrong with their lifestyle, must (MUST) be opposed to the teachings of the Bible. There is no reconciliation other than repentance and admitting that it is wrong to be homosexual.

This same thing can be said of a drunk who sees nothing wrong with being a drunk. The Bible says it is wrong. It's one of those, "Choose you this day whom you will serve," issues.

I also think it's an overstatement to say that it's an issue "threatening to the presidency". Sun Tsu (or was it Klauswitz) would be proud to know that 2% of the population has inflated itself to appear to be a voting block capable of mandating itself into such a great issue.

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[Sloth]

In four Gospels - including the Sermon on the Mount - Jesus neglected to mention the subject of homosexuality.

He also neglected to mention pedophilia... I guess ol' Racicot will be meeting with NAMBLA next?

[Miss Marple]

Will YOU ever find a candidate you can support? And will this be someone who can get elected?

Or will you just continue to carp about things ad infinitum, without offering a solution ?

Remember, in order to make any sort of progress at all, one must get elected. Listening to a group is not conferring approval.

I do not agree with Andrew Sullivan on gay rights. That does not negate his valuable contribution to conservatism; it means that I disagree with him on that issue.

Anyone who lets themselves think that President Bush is going to push gay marriage is simply hysterical; that is not going to happen.

[Corin Stormhands]

However, this group of leaders is not the least bit helpful to advancing their issues, when they attempt such ham-handed strong-arming of the RNC and publish "open letters" which are counter-productive.

Agreed.

[Remedy]

POST #43 REQUIRED READING.

[bassmaner]

Horowitz is right on the money about this -- if Bible-thumpers like Bauer and others are successful in excluding mainstream gays from the GOP, they're leaving the door wide open for the 'Rats and their mainstream media allies to smear the Pubbies as "homophobic" and "intolerant".

Being inclusive of different lifestyles and supporting "special rights" are 2 different things - Horowitz correctly makes the distinction. And Horowitz is certainly no champion of the leftist "gay agenda" -- he devoted an entire chapter in "The Politics of Bad Faith" to criticism of politically-correct public policy which refuses to acknowledge the correlation between the more perverted aspects of the gay lifestyle to the rise of AIDS cases.

Smart Republicans will heed David's advice on this issue and ignore the pleas of Bible-thumping ideologues.

[tdadams]

but do you honestly agree with Horowitz's assertion that use the term "homosexual agenda" is a baseless example of "intolerance"?

I'll never advocate stifling someone's right to free speech. Anyone can say what they like, just as others are free to criticize them for saying it. But do you not feel that the term "homosexual agenda" rings of an epithet? While not very overt, it doesn't seem entirely innocuous to me.

[Corin Stormhands]

Bill Bennett is a "neoconservative" who would profoundly disagree with Horowitz' sentiments.

Yes, but what odds would Bill give? ;-)

[Blood of Tyrants]

So your suggestion is that we just look the other way as the GOP courts the sexual deviants by promising them special protected status based on what they do with their sex organs? Just how will this advance conservatism?