Or will you just continue to carp about things ad infinitum, without offering a solution ?
Remember, in order to make any sort of progress at all, one must get elected. Listening to a group is not conferring approval.
I do not agree with Andrew Sullivan on gay rights. That does not negate his valuable contribution to conservatism; it means that I disagree with him on that issue.
Anyone who lets themselves think that President Bush is going to push gay marriage is simply hysterical; that is not going to happen.
do not agree with Andrew Sullivan on gay rights. That does not negate his valuable contribution to conservatism;
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I think it might be a little naive to assume that "gay Republicans" ever actually vote for Republican candidates or ever have.
I see the Log Cabin group as much more of propaganda device than any legitimate conservative group. They are not organized to nor do they work to move fellow-sodomites to the Republican position. Their entire concern is about their sexuality and their special rights.
If someone is trying to use a "Republican" group as a propaganda ploy and all they ever talk about is sodomy rights, then I suspect they vote Democrat in a ballot box.
I think the case should be compared to black Republicans. Among black Republicans, they actually work hard to swap people toward conservativism. And they have made some real inroads. So, even if 91% of the black vote went to Gore, it would have been more without black Republicans and their efforts. And I think they will continue to make more inroads. But it's still a tough fight ahead for years to come.
So black Republicans are definitely serious conservatives. I don't think you can say the same for homosexual advocacy groups who label themselves as Republicans so they can play Trojan Horse.
Or is Trojan Horse perhaps offensive to the anti-condom crowd like Sullivan?
53 posted on 01/23/2003 8:57 PM EST by George W. Bush
For those who are interested, Sullivan's web sites were cached and placed on display before he could get them shut down. This a link to the front page of those cached copies of his sites at AOL and BarebackCity:
Andrew Sullivan's barebacking sites Warning: very explicit photos of Sullivan on subsequent pages (not on first page). But this should tell you more about what gay rights mean to Andrew Sullivan and what he does with his freedom.
Sullivan is HIV-positive and advertises for sex without condoms with others. There's nothing remotely conservative about him.
Leo Strauss never got elected to any office, but today he is ruling the world. Even his neo-con acolytes never got elected to any office -- they backed the wrong horse, McCain. Yet somehow they still managed to grab control of the reins of power.
Ideas have consequences. One of the worst ideas with the worst consequences is that one should sacrifice your principles in order to get elected. Another terrible idea right up at the top of the list is that societal promotion of homosexuality will lead to anything other than the collapse of our civilization.