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To: sargon
So what you are saying is that the state has no laws you should ever obey.

Your definition of "True Liberty" must be "anarchy" for all then.

When the people vote in representatives for themselves in this Democratic Republic, they have the right to create laws.
You could always move to an island where nobody knows what you do and you can live your dream life that doesn't exist here in the real world.
516 posted on 05/19/2003 9:24:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
When a crime of force or fraud is committed, that's when Law Enforcement can be legitimately involved.

So what you are saying is that the state has no laws you should ever obey.

What a blatant, pathetic lie you have posted.

519 posted on 05/20/2003 6:01:08 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: A CA Guy
Your definition of "True Liberty" must be "anarchy" for all then.

How can you expect anyone on this board to take you seriously, when you say things like this?

Please point out to me where he advocates anarchy. Otherwise, ease off the rhetoric and try and stay on-point.

If legalizing pot is somehow contrued in your mind as 'anarchy', then I guess legalizing alcohol 80 years ago was also an expression of anarchy, huh? We ENDED Prohibition. We LEGALIZED alcohol. Heaven forbid, we're becoming Anarchists!

Ease off the tired, red herring rhetoric. Libertarians don't want to legalize murder and rape, as difficult as that might be for you to believe. Jeez. Can't anyone have an honest discussion about governmental rights without whackos pulling out the tired, tired, tired "Anarchy" card? Sigh.

527 posted on 05/20/2003 3:04:31 PM PDT by zoyd
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To: A CA Guy
No, laws against force and fraud SHOULD exist and be enforced.

That's not Anarchy, last time I checked.

Only a propagandist would assert that it is.

But arbitrarily authoritarian laws, which have nothing to do with Force or Fraud, but instead seek to imprison American citizens for some other reason, are Tyrannical.

God or nature made plants long before the all-powerful State decided it could ban them.

For instance, if the State can declare possession of a certain plant illegal (one which George Washington grew and parenthetically separated the sexes), then there is no limit to the arbitrary Law which it can impose.

And that is distinctly un-American.

These fascist drug laws were not brought about by the People. Check your history. They were essentially created by bureauratic fiat, against a background of heavy government-backed propaganda and lies.

That is the basis of the fascist Drug War which now imprisons hundred of thousands of Americans who have done nothing wrong, other than defy the edicts of a Tyrannical State.

Tyranny is tyranny. Learn to distinguish illegitimate authority from legitimate authority.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is not about what other People believe it should be, it is about what the INDIVIDUAL defines it to be.

And as long as that individual commits no force or fraud against his brother, he or she should be left in peace.

A peacable individual being left alone by Government is an essential Liberty, one which many people have written off.
561 posted on 05/21/2003 11:17:22 AM PDT by sargon
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To: A CA Guy
By the way, if you define Liberty is as "whatever the State and/or a majority decides", then it is YOUR definition of Liberty which is severely and artificially restricted.

You apparently believe in majority Tyranny and the infallibility of the almighty State.

I can support our President and the War on Terror, and oppose the utterly ineffective and Tyrannical War on Drugs, without adopting such a limited and historically incorrect definition of Freedom.
563 posted on 05/21/2003 11:23:41 AM PDT by sargon
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