75% of Americans oppose bank accounts for illegals

TIME-OUT PROJECT ^ | May 15, 2003 | Project USA

[CIBvet]

A new Roper poll shows that 3 out of 4 Americans oppose allowing financial corporations to open bank accounts in the United States for foreign nationals illegally in the country. Nevertheless, Bush Administration officials, like U.S. Treasurer Rosario Marin, are coordinating efforts between the Mexican government and the U.S. banking industry to step up the practice.

Ms. Marin, who "entered" the United States from Mexico when she was a teenager, recently returned from a trip to Mexico City where she met with Mexican officials to negotiate policies favorable to Mexicans. As reported in the San Francisco Chronicle, Marin was attempting to "drum up support for a Partnership for Prosperity program meant to tear down logistical and financial barriers that make it difficult for Mexicans working in the United States to send money home."

Critics say this is just another example of the Bush Administration's support for illegal immigration, but note that the Treasury Department, under Ms. Marin, has been particularly aggressive in encouraging illegal aliens to remain in the United States.

Recently, for example, the Treasury granted $1.3 million to an ethnically focused financial institution in North Carolina to help it open more branches. According to the Wall Street Journal, the business openly caters to illegal aliens and provides them banking services.

Treasury officials have begun trying to sell the effort to help illegal aliens send money out of the country as "pro-security," arguing that the law enforcement community can better track illegal alien money if it's in a bank.

However, the effort is not backed by Homeland Security; it is backed by banks, which have a clear profit motive, and by the Mexican government, which seeks an incremental amnesty for illegal aliens in the United States.

The Bush Administration should rebuff the big corporations and Mexico. The American government has a duty to enforce American laws, rather than encourage foreign nationals to break them.

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Americans Favor Tough Approach to Illegal Immigration (Roper Poll)
http://projectusa.org/Ezine/03-01-03-06.html#030515

North Carolina credit union banks on immigrants (Wall Street Journal)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/05/09/financial1021EDT0047.DTL

U.S. treasurer says free flow of remittances can stimulate economies in Mexico's poor areas
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/05/09/international1801EDT6288.DTL

+== TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ==+

The first border death of the approaching summer season has now been reported, and, if this year is like previous ones, we can expect hundreds more of these tragedies before autumn.

Those who provide the magnets in the United States that lure illegal aliens across our dangerous borders carry some responsibility for the deaths. The Bush Administration, for example, rather than implement a firm and humane interior enforcement policy, which would largely end the border deaths, continues to put ethnic politics and corporate profiteering above the law and the will of the American people.

While the White House might get some political mileage out of allowing Rosario Marin, who, the White House often notes, is the "highest serving Latina" in the administration, to serve as U.S. Treasurer, selfish political advantages cannot take precedent over the public good. With three-quarters of all Americans opposing bank accounts for illegal aliens, the White House must reign in the Treasury Department no matter how ethnically dedicated Ms. Marin is to "her people," and no matter how much money banking corporations are making off illegal alien bank accounts.

Please call the White House comment line and say, "I am very disappointed by the Bush Administration's continued support for illegal immigration. Please tell George Bush I want the Treasury Department to stop pushing for bank accounts for illegal aliens."

White House comment line (9-5 EST, M-F) 202-456-1111
(This is important. If you can, please call several times this week.)

+== QUOTE OF THE WEEK ==+

"Form follows profit" is the aesthetic principle of our times.

Richard Rogers

+== EMAIL OF THE WEEK ==+

I wanted to let you know that I have taken your suggestion to call the White House comment line twice this week. Both operators told me that they are familiar with the issue (and agreed with our stance!) and seemed encouraged about my call.

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[FITZ]

like U.S. Treasurer Rosario Marin, are coordinating efforts between the Mexican government and the U.S. banking industry to step up the practice.

Ms. Marin doesn't seem to care in the least about the American people or this country. She seems 100% interested in her own country ---why doesn't she become the treasurer of Mexico? She's running around trying to get more US money out of the US (as if $13 billion sent to Mexico by illegals --not to mention what drug cartels send back isn't enough money leaving)---is that really the role of US treasurer?

[liberalnot]

how would you calculate the loss of x millions of americans due to birth control and abortion since the 1960s?

an economist could make an estimate.

as i pointed out above, in the 1950s, i remember u.s. officials loading up illegals and shipping them home.

do you honestly think that any u.s. official would have attempted this in the 1980s or early 1990s when there were shortages?

please do not tell me that you mow your own lawn! i, too, do all of my own work. but nationally, as the zoe baird embarrassment proved, american professionals do hire a lot of illegals. not to mention the poultry industry, the dairy industry, the hog industry, slaughterhouses, row crops, manufacturing, fast food, etc.

where would these employees have come from?

i remember driving through kansas in 1986. i was tired and pulled off at the wrong exit. looking for a supermarket i stumbled upon a small town of about 3,000. there were illegal mexicans everywhere, very few whites.

fascinated, i drove around and surveyed the town and it turned out that it was a one industry town--an agribusiness slaughterhouse.

i got home to my parents on a dairy farm and told my father. and he replied that yes, the large slaughterhouses could no longer find americans who wanted to do this dirty work. so, the town was almost all illegals. this was 1986.

why don't you turn part of your anger towards americans who don't want to work in slaughterhouses, don't want to flip burgers, don't want to clean houses, don't want to hoe beets and beans, pick strawberries, etc?

[FITZ]

please do not tell me that you mow your own lawn! i, too, do all of my own work. but nationally, as the zoe baird embarrassment proved, american professionals do hire a lot of illegals.

I don't mow my lawn, I don't have one ---it's not really practical out where I live. Yes I know people who have cleaning ladies and gardeners ---and like one co-worker proudly informed us ---her cheap maid got sick ---it looked like something serious so she dumped her off at the county hospital and got another maid right away. That actually did happen --and it shows what most of the problem is ---the taxpayers must subsidize the cheap labor others have ---either because they're too lazy to make their own beds and mow their own lawns or corporations like the higher profits they get by having cheap labor they can let taxpayers provide health care benefits and the rest.

[liberalnot]

yes!

and, did you see my point to you earlier about the guy in san diego who called in angry to the john and ken show on radio 640 kfi?

this guy identified himself as an owner of a tony roma's, and was angry that john and ken were attacking governor grey davis, whom they call governor joe davis, because that is his birth name.

after much nonsense, he finally admitted that he was angry at john and ken because he feared the state of california forcing restaurants to pay health care costs!

he said, i cannot afford to pay my employees' health care.

isn't that part of the problem? on the one hand, this business owner wants to part take of the cheap illegal labor, but on the other, he wants to pass on their health care costs to you and me!

[liberalnot]

partake.

[liberalnot]

agreed, some parts of the country. utah, for example.

not in socal.

a little bit of money goes to some peoples' heads. why teens and college students shouldn't work part time, i don't understand.

some aggressive parents want their high school and college-aged kids to study and get a leg up on others. but, that only applies to a limited number of academically talented individuals.

for the most part, socal kids have far too much time on their hands, doing nothing.

[garandgal]

The packing houses can certainly find American citizens who would like to work there. Ten or fifteen years ago, they actually paid good wages, and it was considered a good (although dirty) job. When I was a teen, I had several classmates whose fathers drove 60 miles to work at these places every day...and supported their families by themselves.

Now, they pay next to nothing, and ADVERTISE in Mexico for employees.

Haven't you notices the sharp decline in the price of meat at the store? NO? I thought not...and the farmers are making less too. So, who benefits? The monopoly called packing houses. Who loses? The small, formerly nice, communites that have been overrun with drugs and crime.

A couple of years ago, a smaller community here in Iowa made big news when they REFUSED to allow a pack to open; they blocked them from purchasing land because of what they had seen only 30 miles down the road. What had they seen? A community of 8,000 people in rural Iowa having to come up with the funds to build a new jail and to fund a police officer in the school to control gangs, of all things!

[liberalnot]

i grew up on a dairy farm, and my father and brother still work the farm.

they get nothing for their milk or meat. (retired cows go on to mcdonald's.)

my guess is that the american agribusiness corporations, such as dean foods, archer daniels midland, etc., are responsible for making us literally--

"working poor".

in california i notice that dairy farmers get $2.00 less/ 100 lbs. for their milk, some went broke, and the big farms survive. how? . many that are in business survive by means of land that they've sold for development, and of course, by hiring illegals.

[garandgal]

My family still farms, also. There are ways to make a good living, and diversifying helps considerably. We used to raise hogs, but have since discontinued that to raise other livestock with a better return. You know...the pork doesn't taste as good anymore, either...seriously! Nothing like that good, corn-fattened, pork...LOL!

[liberalnot]

that reminds me, we didn't specialize in dairying when i was a kid. we sold eggs, fresh chicken meat, milk, cream, garden veggies, pigs, beef, etc.

boy, did we eat all the things that today are a no-no! but we worked hard, very hard. we didn't have the mechanization in the 1950s that we have today. hay stacking, for example, was by hand, while today, a machine picks the bales up, and brings them in, in a group of 120, or so.

[CIBvet]

"What, you'd rather they should invest in Rupees? Euros? Dinars? "

I'd rather they stay the hell in their own country/culture ... the one they love and feel an allegiance to, instead of coming to my country to grab all they can, any way they can, and call me and mine 'stupid Gringos' for allowing such arrogance and blatant thievery.

Maybe it's the sting of truth that bothers me most.

[CIBvet]

"... immigrants in the U.S. have been ‘disappeared’ and deported at alarming rates." "

Not nearly fast enough I'd say. That's the problem, but we CAN solve that little glitch too, if we start talking it up and take up some ACTION with our friends and fellow LEGAL citizens ... basically decide to make some real noise.

[CIBvet]

If I understood you correctly ... why don't you tell us what you did today to contribute to the solution of our 'INVASION OF ILLEGALS' problem ?

[CIBvet]

"Did Marin enter this country legally in 1984?"

Perhaps she and her family fell under the last, once-and-for-all ... absolutely never need another ... OK now, this is it ... this one will certainly solve the problem forever ... BLANKET AMNESTY of 196?, or 197?, or 198?

Be nice if someone would dig up her family history in the U.S.A.

But then how can someone of her questionable background be expected to stand up to the enormous Corp/U.S.Banking interests/pressure from all who are surely slobbering over themselves at the mere thought of the enormous profits/increased biz to be made by legalizing the 11+ million ILLEGALS ... signing them all up on the 72 mo plan to buy new Dodge Neons.

Who cares if America as we have known and loved it gets lost in the process ?

Most of the movers-and-shakers who are determined to cram this deal through, figure they'll end up safely hidden away within their Gated Communities ... or floating around some So.Pacific Isle, sipping on a martini from the poop-deck.

[CIBvet]

You're right about the sales job they began on us way back when re: how many kids we could have and still be seen as responsible to the rest of the world.

When I went back to school in '70 after VN, one of the first books we were instructed to read in some required course was 'The Population Bomb' by Paul Erlich(sp?)

I distinctly remember how anyone in class who considered a family of more than 2.3 children was absolutely pounded publicly. It was considered completely irresponsible and outright selfishness to consider more.

Meanwhile everyone was encouraged to turn their back on those old-fashioned Puritan values, and break loose to 'Love The One You're With'.

If your hippy-chick/girlfriend happened to turn up PG it was either 'her problem', or if you were a nice enough guy, you helped share in the nominal fee for an abortion.

Because of God's Grace I have asked for, and received His comfort and forgiveness .... but I did buy into many of the liberal lies back then.

[CIBvet]

"...the large slaughterhouses could no longer find americans who wanted to do this dirty work. so, the town was almost all illegals. this was 1986. "

No, they sure didn't want to do the work for the wages offered.

I spoke recently to someone who used to live in one of those small Mid-West towns with a packinghouse. The economy of the town was dependent upon those 200 to 300 jobs.

Back then it was still HARD, dirty work ... but a man could make an honest living for his family working 40hr wks. And there were Little League teams w/ sponsored uniforms from the local Dairy Queen, and the Bank etc, and the community was completely safe and everything functioned, including the 4th of July Parade w/ marching HS Band and Fire Truck.

The decline began with the hiring of just a few 'Mexicans' and slowly continued yr by yr until one day folks woke up and there were more than just a few. And the wages had steadily stagnated until it became absolutely impossible to support an American family unless you were willing to live 10 to a 2br house.

By then the hiring supervisor was from south-of-the-border and had no trouble replacing any disgruntled worker within a week with a new eager fresh brown face, who didn't speak any English, but NEVER complained about anything ... mistaken hr/pay discrepencies, long dangerous hours worked, safety concerns, (non)benefits, etc.

This all took a few years, but eventually the town was deserted by the former LEGAL American inhabitants, who drifted on, looking for a happier life.

I've witnessed this same scenario take place up here in Alaska with the yr-round Factory Trawler work, along with the seasonal Cannery jobs, that back in the '60's were performed by Alaska Natives and native Alaskans who used to be able to depend on the seasonal fishery work to keep a flexible frontier life together up here. Many American college students could also depend on finding a summer job up here to pay for next yrs tuition. ME included.

NO MORE !!!

Those jobs and wages have been totally LOST ... jobsites completely taken over, and wages depressed beyond viability by gangs of Illegal Aliens primarily from Mexico and the Phillipines.

The former workers are now working 'Service Economy Jobs' at Fred Meyer for $7, or collecting welfare/disability at home while watching Jerry Springer and Ophra.

Pickup trucks are being replaced on the streets now with honest-to-G_d L.A. Low-riders, and boom-box Hondas w/ the blacked out windows.

When Savage talks about the need to save our American Culture, I understand EXACTLY what he is saying ... I've watched the Illegal problem steadily grow right here in Alaska.

[Amerigomag]

Be nice if someone would dig up her family history in the U.S.A.

Can you imagine the fuss that would be created if someone began to ask questions. Similar circumstances surround the entry of California's Lt. Governor, Cruz Bustamante into the state. Lots of info about his life after entering public school but no specific information surrounding the conditions of his birth.

I began to get curious about the nationality status of our Lt. Governor. When I went to the Tulare County Hall of Records and inquired I was met with hostility. A quick search of the his given date of birth or by cross reference to his name showed no birth certificate issued by the Dinuba Hospital during that period.

Bustamante may we'll have been born at the Dinuba home his parents rented. But since his parents were illegal aliens the Lt. Governor can not prove, to a reasonable certainty, that he is a US citizen since many migrants of that period returned to Mexico during the winter and Bustamante claims a January birth month.

[Amerigomag]

Perhaps she and her family fell under the last,... BLANKET AMNESTY of 196?, or 197?, or 198?

Perhaps, but if she did enter illegally the precedent Bush established is very troubling to say the least. If she did enter illegally Bush is no better than Davis.

Under those circumstances Bush's message would be "Come to California illegally and you can become the US Treasurer".

Hopefully, if Marin runs for senator against Boxer someone will check on her background before we send another wrong message to Mexico's poor. You can bet it won't be the press or the California Republican Party.

[Beck_isright]

Just a little story about "illegals" and the economic impact on the average U.S. citizen.

I have a friend who was a nurse for 14 years. She was highly qualified and making an excellent salary of around $52,000 per year working at various hospices and retirement communities as a contract R.N. up and down the West Coast of Florida. One night at around 9 p.m. she left a restraunt in Sarasota, FL and started driving north on US 41 (7 lanes wide at that point). A drunk Mexican pulled out of a bar at high speed, swerved three lanes across and hit her head on.
Her left foot was crushed and she suffered numerous internal injuries. Needless to say she can not stay on her feet for any length of time, thus her career is pretty much shot. She used up all of her medical and auto insurance benefits in the 4 surgeries she had. But that's not the part that will infuriate you.

The Mexican blew a .18 and of course was arrested for DUI. His family bailed him out and he was found guilty and ordered to pay restitution. To avoid going to jail, his family paid the first $2,000 installment then guess what? That's right, they dissappeared. Her attorney did some research and get this....
He got the lisence illegally by using a friend with a similar name who already had a false insurance card and to get his registration also. He was in the country illegally. He had no record of every paying FICA or Income tax according to the court documents but his wife, mother and brother were all collecting Social Security and WIC benefits.

So Mr. Bush, just how important is it to so the seeds of the next Civil War in our country? The giving of any freedoms or benefits to illegal aliens will sow the seeds in a bitter and someday violent way. Many of us can see that coming, and wonder why this is being allowed to happen.