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how would you calculate the loss of x millions of americans due to birth control and abortion since the 1960s?

an economist could make an estimate.

as i pointed out above, in the 1950s, i remember u.s. officials loading up illegals and shipping them home.

do you honestly think that any u.s. official would have attempted this in the 1980s or early 1990s when there were shortages?

please do not tell me that you mow your own lawn! i, too, do all of my own work. but nationally, as the zoe baird embarrassment proved, american professionals do hire a lot of illegals. not to mention the poultry industry, the dairy industry, the hog industry, slaughterhouses, row crops, manufacturing, fast food, etc.

where would these employees have come from?

i remember driving through kansas in 1986. i was tired and pulled off at the wrong exit. looking for a supermarket i stumbled upon a small town of about 3,000. there were illegal mexicans everywhere, very few whites.

fascinated, i drove around and surveyed the town and it turned out that it was a one industry town--an agribusiness slaughterhouse.

i got home to my parents on a dairy farm and told my father. and he replied that yes, the large slaughterhouses could no longer find americans who wanted to do this dirty work. so, the town was almost all illegals. this was 1986.

why don't you turn part of your anger towards americans who don't want to work in slaughterhouses, don't want to flip burgers, don't want to clean houses, don't want to hoe beets and beans, pick strawberries, etc?

please do not tell me that you mow your own lawn! i, too, do all of my own work. but nationally, as the zoe baird embarrassment proved, american professionals do hire a lot of illegals.

I don't mow my lawn, I don't have one ---it's not really practical out where I live. Yes I know people who have cleaning ladies and gardeners ---and like one co-worker proudly informed us ---her cheap maid got sick ---it looked like something serious so she dumped her off at the county hospital and got another maid right away. That actually did happen --and it shows what most of the problem is ---the taxpayers must subsidize the cheap labor others have ---either because they're too lazy to make their own beds and mow their own lawns or corporations like the higher profits they get by having cheap labor they can let taxpayers provide health care benefits and the rest.

The packing houses can certainly find American citizens who would like to work there. Ten or fifteen years ago, they actually paid good wages, and it was considered a good (although dirty) job. When I was a teen, I had several classmates whose fathers drove 60 miles to work at these places every day...and supported their families by themselves.

Now, they pay next to nothing, and ADVERTISE in Mexico for employees.

Haven't you notices the sharp decline in the price of meat at the store? NO? I thought not...and the farmers are making less too. So, who benefits? The monopoly called packing houses. Who loses? The small, formerly nice, communites that have been overrun with drugs and crime.

A couple of years ago, a smaller community here in Iowa made big news when they REFUSED to allow a pack to open; they blocked them from purchasing land because of what they had seen only 30 miles down the road. What had they seen? A community of 8,000 people in rural Iowa having to come up with the funds to build a new jail and to fund a police officer in the school to control gangs, of all things!

"...the large slaughterhouses could no longer find americans who wanted to do this dirty work. so, the town was almost all illegals. this was 1986. "

No, they sure didn't want to do the work for the wages offered.

I spoke recently to someone who used to live in one of those small Mid-West towns with a packinghouse. The economy of the town was dependent upon those 200 to 300 jobs.

Back then it was still HARD, dirty work ... but a man could make an honest living for his family working 40hr wks. And there were Little League teams w/ sponsored uniforms from the local Dairy Queen, and the Bank etc, and the community was completely safe and everything functioned, including the 4th of July Parade w/ marching HS Band and Fire Truck.

The decline began with the hiring of just a few 'Mexicans' and slowly continued yr by yr until one day folks woke up and there were more than just a few. And the wages had steadily stagnated until it became absolutely impossible to support an American family unless you were willing to live 10 to a 2br house.

By then the hiring supervisor was from south-of-the-border and had no trouble replacing any disgruntled worker within a week with a new eager fresh brown face, who didn't speak any English, but NEVER complained about anything ... mistaken hr/pay discrepencies, long dangerous hours worked, safety concerns, (non)benefits, etc.

This all took a few years, but eventually the town was deserted by the former LEGAL American inhabitants, who drifted on, looking for a happier life.

I've witnessed this same scenario take place up here in Alaska with the yr-round Factory Trawler work, along with the seasonal Cannery jobs, that back in the '60's were performed by Alaska Natives and native Alaskans who used to be able to depend on the seasonal fishery work to keep a flexible frontier life together up here. Many American college students could also depend on finding a summer job up here to pay for next yrs tuition. ME included.

NO MORE !!!

Those jobs and wages have been totally LOST ... jobsites completely taken over, and wages depressed beyond viability by gangs of Illegal Aliens primarily from Mexico and the Phillipines.

The former workers are now working 'Service Economy Jobs' at Fred Meyer for $7, or collecting welfare/disability at home while watching Jerry Springer and Ophra.

Pickup trucks are being replaced on the streets now with honest-to-G_d L.A. Low-riders, and boom-box Hondas w/ the blacked out windows.

When Savage talks about the need to save our American Culture, I understand EXACTLY what he is saying ... I've watched the Illegal problem steadily grow right here in Alaska.