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Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2003 | Phyllis Schafly

Posted on 05/13/2003 4:27:39 PM PDT by UnklGene

Should illegal aliens get driver's licenses? Phyllis Schlafly (archive)

May 13, 2003

The hottest controversy in state legislatures today regards allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses. Americans were shocked to discover that most of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 carried driver's licenses from Virginia, Florida or New Jersey.

A driver's license is the pass to board a plane, as well as the license to a drive car. It confers a sort of quasi-citizenship and, as described by one illegal alien in Texas, "The driver's license ends up becoming our pass to be in this country."

Since 9/11, 21 states have enacted new legislation to make it harder to get driver's licenses, and legislation has been introduced in another 22 states. Even in Idaho, State Sen. Cecil Ingram told a public hearing, "This has turned out to be a bigger problem than I thought."

The states embarrassed by the 9/11 hijackers have gotten the message. Virginia passed a bill to stop issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, and Florida and New Jersey passed legislation to coordinate driver's licenses with immigration visas.

New Jersey, where driver's licenses have been made of paper and do not require a photo, has long been the target of document fraud and counterfeiters. The state is now converting to state-of-the-art digitized driver's licenses with a dozen covert and overt security features, including a mandatory photo, bar code, hologram and digital signature.

Peter Gadiel, whose 23-year-old son James died in the World Trade Center attack, has traveled from Connecticut to Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina and Tennessee to support beefed-up identification laws. Twenty states do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the United States.

Tennessee, another state known to be casual about issuing driver's licenses to illegal aliens, is considering a measure that would require driver's license applicants to present a document showing they are legally in this country. A Tennessee legislative committee also heard testimony about the need to tighten driver's license rules from April Gallop, a survivor of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

Minnesota is trying to address the controversy through rule-making by the Department of Public Safety. The proposed rule would require visitors to present documents to prove they are in the country legally, and the license would expire when their visas expire.

Georgia would seem an unlikely state for immigration controversies, but an estimated 435,000 Hispanics live in Georgia, a 300 percent increase over 1990, according to the U.S. Census. A lively, big group showed up at a hearing in Gainesville from the town of Hall, where at least 19 percent of the population is Hispanic and 85 percent of those are not citizens.

Georgia has been wrangling over a bill that would allow driver's licenses to be obtained by illegal aliens who come only from the "Free Trade Area of the Americas," i.e., from Canada, Latin America and some Caribbean islands.

Among those who spoke against the proposed legislation was retired Col. A.R. "Mac" MacCahan (whose Army unit lost 206 of 212 men fighting in the Korean War). He asked, "What part of illegal don't you understand?" Others ask, why reward people who have committed at least three felonies: illegal entry into the U.S., purchasing fraudulent documents to get a job and misrepresenting the legality of those documents at the workplace?

Kentucky was once one of the easiest states for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. That changed after a 1998 incident in which the Immigration and Naturalization Service arrested a vanload of illegals from Russia who had traveled from New York to Louisville to get driver's licenses.

After that, Kentucky reinstituted a policy of requiring that noncitizens applying for licenses take a written test. County Circuit Clerk Tony Miller said, "We try to be helpful. We offer that test in 21 languages," but Miller didn't explain how it promotes safety to license drivers who can't read the road signs.

Arizona and Mississippi have killed bills to make it easier for illegal aliens to get a driver's license. California Governor Gray Davis has twice vetoed a bill to allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, but the legislature is still debating this issue.

INS public affairs officer Garrison Courtney identified one of the biggest problems: "If they were illegal when they came here, it's very difficult to determine who they really are because they've created illegal IDs for themselves."

The Seattle Times reported that one U.S. Department of Justice raid discovered piles of cash totaling $95,262, plus $10,000 worth of computer equipment and specialty papers that had been used to print 800 fake driver's licenses, green cards, work permits, Mexican birth certificates and Social Security cards.

Many are concerned about the danger from issuing licenses to terrorists who might use trucks loaded with gasoline or other hazardous materials in the same way that hijackers used commercial airliners on 9/11.

The U.S. Transportation Department reported last year that we lack sufficient safeguards, particularly from the many states that do not require applicants to prove they are legally in the country.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: driverslicense; id; illegalimmigration; phyllisschafly
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To: skull stomper
It is a trick question and it has trick answers too. One of my favorites in Georgia is that if we give ILLEGAL immigrants a license, they will then purchase car insurance.
21 posted on 05/13/2003 4:53:56 PM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: Drew68
and your point is?

Driver license + motor voter = politician dream
22 posted on 05/13/2003 4:54:25 PM PDT by satan
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To: skull stomper
Last month I renewed my driver license. They told me to bring my Social Security card, proof of insurance and $24.00. Renewed until 2009. I'm 81 years old so watch out.
23 posted on 05/13/2003 5:02:18 PM PDT by Mr. Bob
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To: ReagansShinyHair
"I have known many illegal aliens while living in California. Most of the adults had driver's licenses, and they said they were easy to get as long as you paid the money. The going rate back then was $100 for a license. Those in the DMV can be paid off fairly cheaply, it seems. What about stricter control of that?"

In the past, I have seen DMV people get paid off for assisting others in getting a license without the tests and line-waits!

What's the big deal here? If state legislatures want to give driver licenses to illegal aliens, then let's charge them $2000 apiece. No money, no license, period. That money would help defray state expenses for many of the criminals locked up by the states, most of which are illegal aliens and not locked up just because they're illegal.

26 posted on 05/13/2003 5:14:32 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: UnklGene
INS public affairs officer Garrison Courtney identified one of the biggest problems: "If they were illegal when they came here, it's very difficult to determine who they really are because they've created illegal IDs for themselves."

When I moved to La. from Al., I had to show 3 forms of ID, proof of insurance, proof of residence (a utility bill to the address where I lived)! I had to show my marriage (license) certificate from Ala. because I only had an Ala. drivers license & a birth certificate for ID (I needed 3 ID's).
Has anyone (citizen) had to register a child in public school? Beside ID, proof of residence, child's soc sec # & birth certificate, you also need immunization records since birth!!

I have always been in awe of illegals who can access all of our government services (with what ID?). I wish I could easily get legal ID's as easy as those illegals get illegal ID's.
28 posted on 05/13/2003 5:19:12 PM PDT by jrushing
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To: UnklGene
No.
29 posted on 05/13/2003 5:20:25 PM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: jrushing
get legal ID's as easy as those illegals get illegal ID's.

Which are apparently accepted as legal. The legal ID's are so much trouble to get!!
30 posted on 05/13/2003 5:26:09 PM PDT by jrushing
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To: Eric Esot
. . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Now that's not very considerate. Here in Florida, they don't need a license. They don't even need insurance, just a good pair of running shoes when they cause an accident. They don't need health insurance 'cause the overburdened hospitals have to treat them. They don't even need a green card. At least half the night crew at the Kash n Karry warehouse somewhere east of Tampa in a mostly rural town near the county line (hint, hint, hint INS) are not what you would call...um...full time citizens.

31 posted on 05/13/2003 5:27:00 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: UnklGene
No one should be here illegaly. That's the answer to the license problem. Send illegals home.
32 posted on 05/13/2003 5:27:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: unix
They should be licensed only if they are driving back to their country of origin.
33 posted on 05/13/2003 5:32:31 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: UnklGene
Not only should illegal aliens not be allowed to obtain drivers licenses, but they should be apprehended when the apply for drivers licenses and expelled from the U.S.
34 posted on 05/13/2003 5:44:18 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("Liberalism" is decadence. It has nothing to do with liberalism.)
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To: UnklGene
Illegal aliens shouldn't get Jack SH**.. IN my humble opinion.
35 posted on 05/13/2003 5:47:07 PM PDT by Zipporah
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To: UnklGene
Don't worry folks, the Bush administration will step in soon at the federal level and put an end to this foolishness.

/sarcasm

36 posted on 05/13/2003 5:48:59 PM PDT by dagnabbit (matricular cards = "compassionate conservatism")
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To: UnklGene
Of course the quick answer is no, but upon further thought who will drive all the cabs necessary to keep all the large citys moving?
37 posted on 05/13/2003 5:49:29 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: tbpiper
I actually faxed that statement to a contractor who laid off my son in favor of Manuel Labor. It took less than 24 hours for the contractor to change his personnel decision and call my son back on the job.
38 posted on 05/13/2003 5:57:17 PM PDT by Eric Esot
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I had a NY driver's license for many years , and kept re-newing it the whole time I was in Japan . The family and I went back in 1995 with the plan to live in NH , so I got a NH license . Due to health reasons , we had to return to Japan 6 months later . When the time came to re-new my NH license they wouldn't do it because I no longer had a residence in the state !!! Now , in order to get a NY license ( my parents reside there ; I am still in Japan )
I must take a defensive driver's course and the driving/written test which takes weeks . There just isn't time to do this when we drop in for a visit , so I have NO license now ! And I am an American citizen who had been driving without one single ticket for 30 years !
39 posted on 05/13/2003 5:57:50 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: UnklGene
Send 'em back.
40 posted on 05/13/2003 6:02:52 PM PDT by MistrX
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