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Gun Rights on a Roll:Republican Congress Unlikely to Renew Clinton Weapons Ban
Human Events ^ | Week of May 12, 2003 | David Freddoso

Posted on 05/09/2003 10:15:16 AM PDT by Remedy

Thanks to conservative gains in the 2002 elections, and increasing Democratic reluctance to embrace gun control, gun rights have made significant advances on the state and federal levels over the last two months.

In addition to House passage last month of a bill immunizing gun manufacturers from lawsuits based on criminal misuse of their products (see Human Events rollcall, May 5), several states have passed similar bills or are working on them in their legislatures. Meanwhile, five states have passed laws this year making it easier to carry concealed weapons, and three others have taken legislative steps toward gun rights legislation (see map, page 8).

Of even more concern to gun owners, though—and perhaps more critical to the outcome of the 2004 election—is the looming fight over the federal ban on so-called "assault weapons." Despite President Bush’s recent promise to sign an extension of the ban, 2nd Amendment activists are confident it will die in September 2004, when it automatically sunsets.

Cosmetic Gun Ban

The ban, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) in 1994, was given a ten-year expiration date as part of a compromise to secure the votes needed for passage. As a part of President Clinton’s signature "crime bill," the law banned specific guns not because they were more dangerous than other guns, but because they had cosmetic features characteristic of military weapons.

For example, a bayonet mount and a protruding pistol grip are enough under the law to classify a rifle as an "assault weapon" if it accepts detachable magazines. The rules for classifying pistols as "assault weapons" are similarly cosmetic.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer confirmed for Human Events last Wednesday that Bush would sign a bill extending the gun ban. "That is the President’s position, and the stand that he took in the 2000 campaign," said Fleischer.

But Chuck Cunningham, the National Rifle Association’s director of federal affairs, said that a bill renewing "the Clinton gun ban" will not get anywhere near Bush’s pen.

"The difference would be that there’s no Clinton, there’s a Republican President, and the Republicans control both houses of Congress," said Cunningham. "That on its face should be proof of what an uphill battle the other side has."

"I think we’ll have the votes to stop it from being re-enacted or expanded," he said. He also pointed out that the fight on this issue, like federal legislation in 1999 to regulate gun shows out of business, will help strengthen the NRA at the grassroots "by providing a dragon to slay."

NRA board member Grover Norquist agreed.

"The people who remember how people vote on gun control are the people who hate gun control," said Norquist. "It will remind people that it matters who is in the House and Senate, and it will energize our base."

Other activists and congressional sources agreed that a bill to renew the gun ban would be dead on arrival in the House, and maybe in the Senate.

Meanwhile, Democrats on the both the federal and state level are going out of their way to distance themselves from the gun control lobby.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean—an unabashed liberal on most issues—has made a point in his presidential campaign of his support for gun rights, citing this as evidence he is moderate enough to win a general election.

Rep. Harold Ford (D.-Tenn.), a rising Democratic star, was among 63 Democrats who voted for the NRA-backed bill immunizing gun manufacturers against lawsuits. "I’ve come around to the point that [I believe] you can’t go regulating a legal enterprise out of business," Ford told Human Events. Ford did not forget to point out that he is an avid hunter.

In the Senate, the same bill is co-sponsored by Minority Whip Harry Reid (D.-Nev.), Blanche Lincoln (D.-Ark.) and Byron Dorgan (D.-N.D.), who all face re-election this cycle. Even more surprising is the list of Democrats who have not declared either way on the bill. It includes stalwart liberals such as Pat Leahy (D.-Vt.), Jim Jeffords (I.-Vt.) and even Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D.-S.D.).

Eric Howard, spokesman for the pro-gun-control Brady Campaign, would not comment on rumors that Daschle has warned his group not to expect his support when the bill comes up for a vote. Daschle will very probably face a competitive re-election battle next year against former Republican Rep. John Thune.

Political Momentum

Governors in Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico have all signed laws this year requiring local authorities to issue concealed weapons permits to any sane, law-abiding citizen who applies (see chart). These laws bar local authorities from maintaining de facto gun bans by arbitrarily refusing to issue permits. Democratic Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia also signed a bill pre-empting all local gun control laws.

One or both houses of the state legislatures of Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio have already passed bills making it easier for more people to carry concealed weapons, and New Hampshire, Nevada and Wisconsin are expected to act soon on bills that will ban lawsuits against gun makers in state court.

On the other side of the issue, only one state—Illinois—is expected to pass major anti-gun legislation this term.

Howard tried to put a good face on the Democratic defections. "I don’t think it’s fair to say that everybody’s running from this issue," he said.

Rep. Danny Davis (D.-Ill.), a liberal gun-control champion, was more blunt. "I think that Democrats—or if you want to say people who are thought of as more progressive—have allowed themselves to be out-worked, out-strategized," he said.

Indeed, Republican congressional sources say conservatives can only benefit politically from more votes on gun issues this term.

"The 2nd Amendment is just such a powerful issue," said one House aide. "It’s a great time for it."

Rep. Jeff Flake (R.-Ariz.), a leader on gun rights issues, outlined the dilemma of gun control advocates in keeping Democrats on the reservation. "In 2002, you had the Dingell race," he said, referring to the primary between Democratic Michigan Representatives John Dingell, who supported gun rights, and Lynn Rivers, who did not. Dingell won by an 18-point margin.

"Dingell ran on it and did well, and in a Democratic primary," said Flake. "There’s been a realization on the part of the Democrats that they’re not getting the traction here that they thought they did before, or that they perhaps did before."


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To: heckler
I found some discussion on it here that sheds a little light on the subject.Dont know how accurate this is.

Interesting link, thanks. Looks like I've got to do a bit of research, because the last post in that thread sure seems contrary to what I can dimly recollect (the mists of time grow thick).

What I do recall is that for some reason, back in 1990 there were a number of "loophole" guns on the market. These were mostly Norinco AK-S rifles that were already in the shipping pipeline when GHWB's exec order took effect. The original receiver of each rifle was cut per BATF regulations, after which the rifle (by then just "spare parts kit") was allowed into the country.

At least one enterprising company (B-West) assembled some of those parts on new, American-made receivers (if you run across one bearing that rollmark, excercise caution. They are infamous for poor heat-treating), and *voila*: legal firearms available for sale - in otherwise original condition. Pistol grip, bayonet, the works.

Something prompted those importers to turn functional rifles into parts kits. If not an executive order from Bush 41, than what?

141 posted on 05/10/2003 10:52:04 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: heckler
Here's an interesting transcript of some of what Bush (41) had to say on the subject back in '89 (the exchange below is between Bush and Helen (the Troll) Thomas:

Remarks and a Question-and-Answer Session With Reporters
February 16, 1989

(snip)

Gun Control

Q. Mr. President, even though there's been a cutoff, there is something called guns that is so rampant in this country --

The President. Helen, it's been a great pleasure. The last question -- --

Q. Why won't you answer the question, because this is one of the most clearly -- --

Mr. Fitzwater. Thank you.

The President. What was your question?

Q. The question is: Are you going to exert any leadership in trying to forestall these -- --

The President. Do you know that there are laws on the book outlining the import of AK-47's -- automatic -- --

Q. No, I didn't.

The President. Well, see, there's a fact. So, where does that lead you? You already had laws that prohibit the import of fully automated AK - 47's. That law is on the books. So, are we talking about law enforcement? Are we talking about -- --

Q. We're talking about semiautomatic AK - 47's, sir. We're talking about semiautomatic guns.

The President. What do you mean by semi?

Q. I mean no cocking, pull the trigger, the gun fires each time I pull the trigger.

The President. Look, if you're suggesting that every pistol that can do that or every rifle should be banned, I would strongly oppose that. I would strongly go after the criminals who use these guns. But I'm not about to suggest that a semi-automated hunting rifle be banned. Absolutely not. Am I opposed to AK - 47's, fully automated? Am I in favor of supporting the law that says they shouldn't come in here? Yes. But Helen, with all her experience, didn't even know it was there. Nor did I until I looked it up. [Laughter]

Q. I don't know how you -- when did you find out? I don't know how you can read the paper every day -- 13 deaths on Valentine's Day.

The President. Exactly, which concerns me enormously.

Q. What will you do -- --

The President. When you let a guy out of jail to commit a crime like this, it's outrageous. Two of these people were people that already had -- have -- help.

Q. So, you think it's okay for people to have guns?

The President. To have guns? Yes, I do. Do I think it's all right for people to have fully automatic AK - 47's? No, I think the law should be -- --

Q. Sir, the issue is the -- in Stockton, that was a semiauto. That was not a fully automatic weapon.

The President. Well, but I've answered your question on that question. I'm not about to propose a ban on service .45's or something like that.

Q. On semiautomatics -- right?

The President. No, I'm not about to do that. And I think the answer is the criminal. Do more with the criminal. Look, the States have a lot of laws on these things. Let them enforce them. It's hard, very hard, to do. But that's my position, and I'm not going to change it.

Q. Is there nothing you can do about the murder capital of the United States? As the number one resident?

The President. Well, we need the help of all the press to do something about it.

Q. When did you find out that they were banned? Today? [Laughter]

The President. Slightly before you did, put it that way -- slightly before you did.

Note: The exchange began at 2:24 p.m. in the Oval Office at the White House. Marlin Fitzwater was the President's Press Secretary. In his remarks the President referred to Patrick Purdy who, armed with a semiautomatic AK - 47, shot and killed six schoolchildren on a playground in Stockton, CA, on January 17.

Hmmm.

142 posted on 05/10/2003 11:57:11 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: heckler; All
After nosing around a bit, I think that thread on "awbansunset.com" comes to the correct conclusion: there was most likely no actual E.O. from GHWB in 1989. Instead, the BATF began scrutinizing firearms for certain characteristics before approving import licenses, etc. That agency is evidently so authorized under the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Of course, BATF most likely did that at the President's request - keep in mind that similar actions were taken against the importing of the "Streetsweeper" shotgun during Reagan's second term. BATF's authority to makes these sort of calls does not, unfortunately, sunset. If I understand the situation correctly, even if the Assault weapons ban does evaporate in 2004, BATF can simply fall back on its old protocol and continue to screw with us. Have a look:

Semi-Auto FAQs

143 posted on 05/11/2003 12:36:02 AM PDT by Cloud William
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"but the poor girl probably has nothing to do with the Republican Party..."

I didn't get that impression at all. In fact, although I called her a "girl" I think from her verbiage and voice timber that she is a grown woman...a staffer. She said she and her husband are both NRA members and she fully agreed with me that the Bill of Rights is no place to "play political stratego." At least that was what she said. Pardon me for my sexism. LOL

I have already made it abundantly clear to my friend, Jeb Bush how I feel in this matter and I think your suggestion to make it clear to local and state organizations is a good idea, although I think the Miami Herald letter also said so. Still it never hurts to make things up close and personal.

144 posted on 05/11/2003 1:49:22 PM PDT by ExSoldier (My OTHER auto is a .45!)
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To: Richard-SIA
"If the ban is renewed I will be looking for a new party, I will not be able to remain a republican."

You and I are in 100% complete agreement. I've been a party activist for 28 years, but I'll go elsewhere if this piece of garbage slops over the edge.

Just as the Dems take the blacks and other minorities for granted, so too, do the 'Pubbies take gun owners for granted. In order to exercise some clout...we may well have to run them out so there will be NO doubt whose play it was...and then fight a defensive war for four years to hold the line and send another Republican up who shows gunowners some real respect.

145 posted on 05/11/2003 2:00:08 PM PDT by ExSoldier (My OTHER auto is a .45!)
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To: Cloud William
There's way too many weirdo gun laws out there. For instance, the Glock 25..

The BATF needs to simply be dismantled. There's no benefit for it.

I'm not for full access to any weapon anyone wants. There should be local limits on so called 'class-3' stuff like full auto and suppressors. However, banning calibers and certain stocks and mags over 10 rounds is plain unconstitutional.

I think the current court stuff going on in CA will go to the supreme court finally. This subject needs to be like the 1st amemndment, simple. They can make certain limits, but not many.

I hope the USSC will finally come down and affirm what the 2nd plainly says. That's their job anyway.
146 posted on 05/11/2003 2:06:51 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Remedy
I give up my weapon when feinstein give up her concealed weapon and permit.
147 posted on 05/11/2003 2:11:46 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: ExSoldier
Understood.
148 posted on 05/11/2003 4:25:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Remedy
Some blackrobes rule by rewriting our Constitution, however, citizens control because we rearm, pursuant to God-given rights merely affirmed by Article II of our Bill of Rights - there for all to see.

The Democrat Politburo again will be in a police action with Christian America, their rules of engagement demonstrated by a JBT assault on a church home with nearly 150 men, women, and children near Waco, Texas in February through 19 April, 1993. That exercise of powers of the State remain burned into our memories as the Clintons' victims were burned into ash.

Hillary can't wait for the expanded Homeland Defense powers within her "living" Constitution, where the State has rights and we subjects file for permits, under penalty of law. Our Constitution will mean what the Politburo says it means, so they remain in power and that we should remain in fear.

Our Homeland Defense Amendment comes first and last. The free speech comes before and after. Free peoples thusly armed remind politicians that our Constitution means what it says limiting the powers of government, something conveniently dismissed.

Fix laws or fix bayonets.
149 posted on 05/12/2003 10:59:16 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: SevenDaysInMay
New Page 1A brief look at the history of Hillary Clinton will confirm what columnist Camille Paglia said in a recent article in Women’s Quarterly: "That woman should not be anywhere near our government . . . That woman is an authoritarian who should be kept out of government. She’s a tyrant who thinks she knows what’s best for the people. She’s Orwellian in her attitude toward the rest of humanity." One should not, and need not, judge her by her husband’s actions— she is a corrupt radical in her own right.

Nazi Death Camps - The Results of "Gun Control"

150 posted on 05/13/2003 6:48:39 AM PDT by Remedy
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