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Extension of Objectivism discussion regarding the soul
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Posted on 05/08/2003 9:44:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl

On several of the various threads on the general forum which concern Objectivism, which evidently excludes God in definition of objective moral truth, the discussion has turned to the concept of the soul and more specifically, the words used in Scripture to describe the soul and how it has been understood by Jews who first received the Word and studied it for so many centuries.

I promised unspun that I would try to collect information on the various aspects and present it for Freeper discussion. Following is the first draft of that effort with a very rough organization, links and excerpts. Please click on the links for more detail as these articles are “treasure troves” of insight to the subject.

One other point, although this inquiry is directly related to the Objectivism threads and probably ought to be posted on-thread --- the size is prohibitive and thus a new thread is necessary. The result is a thread that is clearly “religious” in terms of forums, but an extension of a prior “general forum” debate. So although I am posting this to the general forum, I would fully understand the moderator choosing to move it to religion forum.

Definitions, putting it in perspective:

How did Spirituality Evolve? - from Evolution by Prof. Salomon Kapach

One difficult question which evolutionists will have to face is the question of spirituality. How will they explain the vital force of the spirit, the psyche, free will, and the soul? What adaptation could cause one's spirit to evolve? At what evolutionary stage does a soul mingle with flesh and blood? How is "mind over matter" achieved?

These questions and others have forced evolutionists to deceive themselves, contending that souls do not exist. However, since the declaration that souls don't exist (or basically that anything non- observable is non-existent) is an illogical claim (and at the very least an unsubstantiated one) some scientists who believe in the theory of evolution have taken recourse in various outlandish, even humorous, assertions.

One historic experiment endeavored to scientifically test and prove or disprove the existence of the soul. In the conclusions of the renowned zoologist who conducted the experiment, the following observation appeared: "I have disected thousands of corpses, but never once found a soul." No doubt, even a thousand vivisections would not have proven any more useful in finding a soul…

Whatever various claims may have been made by individuals to attempt to fill the void, the simple fact remains that science does not begin to pretend to have concrete answers to the many mysteries of spirituality vs. matter, regardless of the prejudices of more than a few scientists on the issue.

On the other hand, one should note that Judaism does address the issues. Midrashic and Kabbalistic sources consider the nefesh, ruach, and neshama (psyche, spirit, and soul) to be three separate entities which, although linked one to another and sharing a common origin, are nonetheless distinct one from the other. Once we cease to view the spirit and the soul as evolutionary spin-offs of the brain, and realize that they exist separately, many questions are solved.

Generally, we expect the working assumptions of scientists to be those which solve the most riddles. But it would seem now that the riddle which needs most to be solved is why so many scientists and thinkers, contrary to that rule of thumb, have adopted a working assumption which does not solve any riddles in this most critical of all areas of research, and quite the contrary, turns clarity into mystery, and significance into void

Afterlife by Ilil Arbel, Ph.D.

A human being on earth unites two parts -- a body and a soul. Each part is extremely complex in structure and consists of multiple components. While the body's structure is reasonably well understood, the structure of the soul is a mystery many tried to analyze. One Talmudic opinion divides it into three major segments:

Nefesh: the lower, animal part, related to the instincts and to the reactions of the body.

Ruach: the spirit, or the middle soul, linked to the understanding of morality and the ability to differentiate between good and evil.

Neshama: the higher soul, linked to the intellect, and separating humanity from all other life forms. It allows the person to be aware of God, and to participate in the afterlife.

According to the Zohar, which leans toward a mystical view of the universe, two additional soul parts may be developed by very few, select individuals who have the capacity of sublime levels of intuitive cognition:

Chayyah -- the part of the soul that is aware of the divine life force.

Yehidah -- the highest part of the soul, capable of achieving full union with God.

When the body dies, the soul components come apart, and each segment follows a separate road. The lower parts must undergo purification; the higher parts aim to join with God. Nefesh remains with the body for about twelve months, guarding the grave and occasionally roaming the earth for the purpose of learning. Ruach goes to Gehinnom (Purgatory), to purge itself from the sins the person committed in life, and prepare for the future life of the soul. Neshama goes to the lower Gan Eden (Paradise), Chayyah and Yehida return to Upper Gan Eden.

The Order of Realization by: David S. Devor

It can be said that any essence or entity (including a soul) consists of the substance of which it is made together with the "light" or "spirit" with which that substance is imbued and which sustains that entity's existence. It is this light or spirit, for instance, that distinguishes between a living person and a corpse. A corpse, on the other hand, has its own existence and, depending on the level of its decay, has its own quality of light. This is similarly true of the dust to which it will eventually be reduced.

Besides its technical meaning in the hierarchy of the five levels, "soul" is also the generic term for the "inner part" or "light" or "heart" or "center of gravity" of any entity. This usage is particularly appropriate since the technical term "soul" (Neshama) is the middle one or the "heart" of the hierarchy we'll now examine.

There are many types of nomenclature for the five levels or aspects of "soul" depending on the context but the main one is:

5. Yechida (unity/individuality)*
4. Chaya (eternal life)*
3. Neshama (soul)
2. Ruach (spirit)
1. Nefesh (animus)*
'Roots' Jewish Style

The human soul, or Neshama, much like the human body, is a complex entity that is subdivided into various parts. The highest part, the origin of the entire entity, is referred to by the name of the whole and is called Neshama. This part of the soul is described in Jewish tradition as being a part of God Himself. It is from this contact point of the Neshama with God that we originate spiritually, and it is through this part of the human soul that we can connect ourselves back to God. As God is a metaphysical being who can only be accessed through the realm of thoughts and ideas, the Neshama connects us back to Him by generating the thoughts and perceptions that we human beings require to be able to understand God. The vessel that traps the Divine light generated by the connection of the Neshama to God is the human mind.

The next part of the Neshama is referred to as the Ruach, or the human spirit. Our perception of the purpose of life and the basic elements of our characters are generated by this part of our souls. The Ruach takes the ideas produced in the mind by the contact of the Neshama with Divinity and applies them to formulate the conceptual structure on which we construct our lives and shapes the character of our interaction with the outside world. The vessel that receives the Divine light generated by the Ruach is the human heart.

The lowest part of the human soul is called the Nefesh. The Nefesh is the only part of the soul that is actually contained in our bodies. The Nefesh is the life force, the energy and joy of life that course through us. The vessel that traps the Divine light of the Nefesh which is provided by the contact of the Ruach with the Neshama is the blood that circulates through our bodies and generates the life force required by our limbs. The focus of its power is in the liver, the body's laboratory for processing blood.

Through the Torah one Word at a time

Kabbalistically- the soul is described as 'comprising' five levels of consciousness-experience.

The second one is referred to as RUACH. The levels are:

Nefesh-connected with physicality.,' that which animates existence in terms of life force, it acts as the source of human's capacity to think, to imagine, to dream, to contemplate." Corresponds to Olam HaAssiya-World of Doing.

RUACH-"above the primal soul, there exists in every human being, a divine soul. This is the first spark of consciousness beyond that of the zoological species, beyond even the consciousness of higher or more developed animal, and is directly connected to divine essence...It exists in each and every individual being, hidden and veiled as a spark of a higher perception, of a superior aspiration, and touches the higher level, which is Spirit." (Steinsaltz, 13 Petalled Rose , p. 57)

Corresponds to Olam HaYetzira: World of Formation Neshama: (breath, soul) -"higher awareness, defining quality of human consciousness. Zohar-"The nefesh and the ruach intertwine together, while the neshama resides in a person's character. This is an abode which cannot be discovered or located. Should a person strive toward purity in life, he or she is aided by a holy neshama. But should the person not strive for righteousness and purity of life, this person is animated only by two grades: nefesh and ruach." (Zohar:83b, quoted in God is a Verb, David Cooper. p.98)

Corresponds to Olam HaBriya: Word of Creation Chaya:(living essence)-"we gain awareness of this level only when we enter altered states. In those rare moments when we experience oceanic unity and a bright light of pure oneness, we are tapping into chaya consciousness" Cooper, p. 99)

Corresponds with Olam HaAtzilut:World of Emanation Yechida:(unity)"center point of the soul and it disapppears into the infinitude of creation...the aspect of the soul that is hardwired directly into the essence of the Divine. It is not 'with' us, but we are never apart from it...where duality dissolves"(Cooper, p.99) One 'goal' of spiritual practice is to experience the fullness of our being. As we grow spiritually we learn to integrate more of and open more to our "Divine' self. Climbing the ladder of our soul as it were.

Exploring Theological Myths - Different ways of looking at traditional beliefs.

Rabbi Jeremy Rosen – Do we have Souls?

'They called the soul by five names. Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama, Yechida, Chaya. Nefesh is blood... Ruach is the spirit that rises and descends...Neshama is the personality of a person... Chaya, even if all the limbs are dead, it still survives in the body... Yechida, all limbs are in pairs but this one it remains unique.' ...

In the Torah we will see several different words used to describe soul or spirit. The rabbis added even more words. And yet the assumptions that have been handed down can be and in practice are challenged and varied throughout both the Bible and the Talmud.

There are three main words used in the Torah for what we call 'soul'. The first is 'ruach', spirit, which appears initially as another word to describe the presence of God 'And the spirit of YHVH was hovering over the deep'. Some commentators suggest that God caused a wind to blow, like the one that divided the Red Sea for the Israelites. But most take this to mean the Shechina, the presence of God. Since God cannot be confined to any place or said to be in any one place, the rabbis devised a way of talking about the presence of God without it implying the totality of His Being. This is the Shechina, the presence, literally it means ' The Dwelling' or 'Where She is ', the place where God has chosen to have an impact. It does not have an independent reality or function in the way that ' The Holy Spirit' is often thought of. Later on, when talking about the flood, the Torah says that God will destroy ' All flesh that has the spirit of life ' using the same word, 'ruach' . So the word ruach, is applied both to God and to all living creatures as though it is a common link. There is an altogether different use of 'ruach' to describe a human passion . Firstly, when Jacob hears that his son Joseph is alive the Torah says that ' His heart ' missed a beat ' or fainted because he did not believe them ' but then when he is reassured ' his soul ( ruach) comes alive again.' There 'ruach' means his spirit as an aspect of his personality, state of mind. When describing the jealous husband who suspects his wife of infidelity the Torah says that a ' spirit of jealousy overcomes him' and the term used for this feeling is ' ruach ' . This only underlines the ambiguity of the word.

The second word for 'soul' is ' nefesh', as in ' 'And YHVH said Let the earth produce all kinds of living souls, animals, reptiles and beasts, and it was so ' . And when forbidding the Israelites to drink blood, the Torah says ' For the life of a person ( nefesh ) is in the blood ' . Nefesh is the word used almost interchangeably with 'adam' , a person, to describe a human who comes to bring a sacrifice in the book of Leviticus . Significantly, when the Torah institutes the law of fasting on Yom Kippur, the term it uses is ' Afflicting your souls' using the word nefesh . When the affliction referred to could simply be fasting, a physical act, in this context it is clearly meant to have penitentiary and therefore spiritual connotations as well.So this is a clear indication of the dual role of 'nefesh'. Throughout the Torah, the words 'nefesh' and 'ruach' seem to be used in similar situations with a heavily spiritual content, nevertheless, both are applied to ' All living beings', animal as well as human.

The third word for 'soul' and the one that in the Torah ( but not in rabbinic literature ) is only used of humans, is the word ' neshama'. 'And YHVH Elohim said formed man from the dust of the ground and He breathed into his nostrils the breath ( soul ) of life.' But this breath of life does not mean that it is automatically 'good'. And so later on in the Torah, when talking about Cannanite tribes that have to be destroyed because of their corruption and the threat they present to the newcomers, the word 'neshama' is used simply to mean all living humans. 'Do not let any breathing being ( neshama ) live.'

The Torah also uses the words ' neshama' and 'ruach' together describing the destruction of life by the flood, ' Everything that had the breath of the spirit of life ( nishmat ruach ) in its nostrils that was on dry land, died ' . So the distinction between the way the two words are used is blurred and ambiguous as to whether it applies to all life or only human life...

Symbolisms:

Five Levels of the Soul -- Inverted Seal - The Jewish Home

The five levels of the soul are called nefesh, ruach, neshama, chaya, yechida. The yechida reflects itself in the nefesh. This is revealed in the relation between Mashiach and King David. Each of the five levels of the soul correspond to a general soul root. The Arizal explains that the general soul root of the nefesh in all of Am Yisrael is King David. The ruach is the prophet, Elijah. The neshama, which is the mind, mochin d'Imma, is Moses, as stated in the Gemorah that Moses merited binah. The chaya corresponds to the ideal and primordial, blissful state of Adam and Eve before the sin. Had Adam stood that trial successfully, he would have risen to the level of yechida. Since he failed the trial he fell from all the levels of Olam ha'Atzilut. The highest level, yechida, is that of Mashiach, may he become revealed speedily in our days.

Nefesh - King David
Ruach – Elijah
Neshama – Moses
Chaya - Adam and Eve
Yechida – Mashiach

Parshas HaShavua

Man must relate to three aspects of life - his G-d, his world, and his very self.

These three dimensions are reflected in the three different parts of his soul - Nefesh, Ruach, Neshama. The Nefesh is known as 'Shituffa D'Guffa' - a partner of the body, the forces that man utilizes in his relationship to the world around him. The Neshama is the most exalted element of his being, and it remains eternally in heaven, relating to the G-d of creation. The Ruach is that part of man known as 'I' - man as he is meant to be.

These three elements are meant to be perfected, and with them the world arrives at its intended destination. It is only by refining these three aspects of his character that man becomes an appropriate vehicle to express the word of G-d.

This is the perfect 'Asher' - the world connected to G-d, approved and assured by heaven, and guaranteed to fulfill its mandate of destiny.

This concept finds expression in two seemingly disparate ideas - the prayer of 'VaYechulu' recited every Friday evening, and the Parsha of Parah Adumah, the purification from sin, death, and defilement.

Parshas Emor – Candles

Physical desires are not as physical as we think. Obviously, they are not an integral part of the body as an arm or a leg, as we see that after the spirit departs the body no longer craves food. Desire, in fact, is an expression of the life force the Creator implanted within our bodies, the Nefesh, that craves sustenance and pleasure. Even its gratification is not from the physical world itself; by eating we seperate the spiritual elements in the food from their physical shells: spirit touches spirit and dust returns to dust.

A higher part of our being is the spirit, the Ruach, which is the district of the emotions, where love, hate, anger, accomplishment and other sentiments all dwell side by side. Like a candle the Nefesh and the Ruach constantly fluctuate, craving, being depressed, sometimes both, and most often - all of them and then some. The initials of Nefesh and Ruach together even spell the word Ner, a candle.

In the Tabernacle, right outside the innermost chamber, there were candles constantly. In the morning they were extinguished and prepared for the evening when they would be lit till the next morning. Although candles constantly fluctuate, by placing them perpetually adjacent to the Holy of Holies, the Neshama of the Sanctuary, they acquired a certain degree of permanence. Miraculously the six side candles, which represented the Ruach, all faced the middle candle which represented the Nefesh.

Indeed, so essential is the Nefesh that right next to the candelabra was the table on which the Show-bread were placed. Unlike regular bread which is limited by the constraints of time and space, these loaves stayed piping fresh all week long. Although many Kohanim shared them, they all became full after eating a mere morsel, because the little bit of physicality in them was packed with satiation. It was not a physical satiation. It was the Nefesh receiving sustenance from the holy Name Lechem, which amounts to the numerical equivalent of three different punctuations of the Tetragrammaton, and is an expression of Hashem's Simple Will to Give.

Although we no longer have those holy loaves, their spiritual source still exists, and anyone who eats regular bread with the intention with which the Kohanim ate the Show-bread can tap into that holy Source of sustenance. When we light Shabbos candles and watch them flicker, we can watch our spirits flicker and dance to that Holy Light.

A more detailed look at the soul and sin:

The Soul - Part Four - To Catch a Thief

Let us selectively extract the information we learned in previous articles to orient ourselves properly towards the present discussion. The soul is made up of Naran, an acronym for Nefesh, Ruach and Neshama. Its source is in Azilut, where it is called Knesset Yisroel, which is also the Shechina, a name for the Divine Presence, the reason why the soul is called a part of God. (Responsa, Chavot Yair,210) Each of these soul parts is independently self-conscious and is subdivided into ten constituent sub-parts joined together according to the pattern of the Ten Sefirot from Keter to Malchut (see Soul #3 hyperlink). Each represents the human being in one of the four levels of reality; the human being of Azilut is called Knesset Yisroel; of Briah he is called Neshama; of Yezira he is called Ruach; and of Assiyah he is called Nefesh.

The most efficient way to tackle our present topic is to state a set of conclusions concerning reality constructed on these axioms, and only then explain how we fit into this reality as spiritual beings. Without a glimpse of the overall picture, even though at this early stage in our understanding of Kabbalah it can only be poorly understood, it will be difficult to unravel the tapestry of knowledge into individual threads.

Beginning at the conclusion

1. Nine of the ten Sefirot of the lowest part of the soul called Nefesh are detachable from their attachment to the higher part of the soul called Ruach by a process referred to in the Torah as Karet, excision.

2. There are different degrees of Karet. The most severe form has the effect of detaching nine Sefirot of the Nefesh from the Ruach, starting with Chachma and ending with Malchut, while the mildest form of Karet will detach only the bottommost level of the Nefesh, the Malchut of the Nefesh, leaving the remainder of the Sefirot of the Nefesh attached to the Ruach.

3. The levels of the Nefesh that are so detached are trapped by the forces known as Klipot who draw their life force from detached Nefoshot.

4. The highest portion of the Nefesh, the Keter of the Nefesh, can never be detached from the Ruach, because the Keter of the Nefesh is also the lowest Sefira of the Ruach, known as the Malchut of the Ruach. The parts of the soul are held together like the links of a chain. The Keter of every lower level functions as the Malchut of the level above it. The Keter of Nefesh is the Malchut of Ruach; the Keter of Ruach is the Malchut of Neshama; the Keter of Neshama is the Malchut of Knesset Yiroel.

5. Because this highest Sefira of the Nefesh cannot be detached, the parts that were severed by the Karet can always be rescued from the Kelipot and reattached to the Keter and thus to the Ruach once again through Teshuva, or repentance. Teshuva draws a bright spiritual light from the source of the Neshama in Azilut, which flows through the Neshama, passes from the Neshama through the Ruach until it enters the Malchut of Ruach, which is also the Keter of the Nefesh. The intense light that is generated in the Keter of the Nefesh cuts through the Klipot, and reattaches the severed Sefirot of the Nefesh back to itself, and as the Keter of the Nefesh is also the Malchut of the Ruach, the Karet is healed and the Nefesh and the Ruach are once again joined together.

6. Sins have the very reverse effect on the opposite extremity of the soul, the Neshama. The top nine Sefirot of the Neshama are detached from the Malchut of the Neshama, which is the Keter of the Ruach by certain types of sins. Again, the link between the Neshama and the Ruach can never be completely severed, as the top Sefira of the Ruach is also the bottom Sefira of the Neshama; the potential for healing the break is always in place.

7. As in the case of the Nefesh, the detachment of the Neshama from the Ruach is not an all or nothing proposition; not all nine levels will necessarily detach. The most severe form of detachment drives away the nine top levels of Neshama from their connection with the Ruach, from the Yesod to the Keter of the Neshama, while the mildest form of detachment will involve the separation of the level of Keter alone.

8. When the Neshama detaches from the Ruach it returns to Kneset Yisroel, its roots, the source of the Neshama in Azilut, where it is once again a portion of the Divinity itself.

9. The Ruach is the only portion of the soul that cannot detach from the rest. This prompted the Gaon of Vilna to declare that the true spiritual level of living human beings is the Ruach. The Neshama is above us and the Nefesh is beneath us. Each tugs at the Ruach in opposite directions, and it is on the level of the Ruach that we choose the overall direction of our spiritual development. But while the Ruach is unable to detach, certain sins have the effect of causing it to contract and shrink, reducing its effectiveness as a passageway that connects the Nefesh with the Neshama.

10. The healthy integrated soul is an expression of the Shechina. The Nefesh in the body connects to the Ruach; the Ruach connects to the Neshama; the Neshama connects to Knesset Yisroel, the Shechina; the spiritual light emanating from the Shechina flows all the way down to the Nefesh unimpeded and is expressed by the actions of the body as the light of God in the world.

These are the points that we shall spend the next few essays developing. There is far too much to learn to be able to include everything we need to understand all these conclusions in a single essay. Nevertheless, it is essential to focus on the entire picture as summed up in these ten points to be able to comprehend the detailed dynamics of spiritual functions.

What do souls look like? - by Rabbi Noson Weisz

To comprehend the structure of the soul, we need to begin by describing how reality itself is structured.

We live in a created universe. This means that God created the universe out of nothing. When God initiated the creation process, there was no space or time, no matter or energy [other than God's own, needless to say]. He could not fashion the universe out of pre-existing materials.

It follows that the universe is actually made of pure Divine energy, the only 'substance' that was available for God to use. This is an important point to establish and one whose implications are far from obvious at first glance…

The separation of Divine energy from its origins is described as speech. The curtain that brings about this first level of separation is known as Briah. In the world of Briah man is called a Neshama, Soul. He has already crystallized out of the composite man of Knesset Yisroel into individual form, indeed, he is even male and female, but on this level of Briah, man is male and female as a single entity; his male and female parts have not coalesced into separately identifiable elements. So God created (Vayivrah-from the word barah) Man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. (Genesis 1,27)

From the level of Briah and outward man exists as an individual. As this level is just across the curtain from Azilut, the human being of Briah is aware of himself/herself as just having separated from Knesset Yisroel, from the collective human being whose energy of being was still a part of God. Man as Neshama is totally conscious of his Divine origins and cannot imagine himself either as existing without God, nor as existing separately from his male/female element. At this level man has no evil inclination or aspect and he has no freedom of choice.

Yezirah and its human inhabitant

As the Divine energy continues to flow outward from the source, a second curtain descends. Reality on the outer side of this second curtain is known as the world of Yezirah, "creative thought" in English, and man exists in this world as a Ruach, a pure spirit. It is at this level of Yezirah that he is separated into separate sexes and he makes contact with the world of his body, although the body itself does not exist in Yezirah and is located on the other side of the next curtain, where the outward flow of divine energy takes on material shape. And YHVH God, formed (Vayizer-from the word Yezirah) the man of dust from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the soul (Nishmat-from the word Neshama) of life, and man became a living being. (Genesis 2,7) In the succeeding verses the separation of Eve from Adam is described…

Assiyah-our own world and our familiar selves

As the divine energy continues its flow outward from the source a final curtain descends. The world on the other side of this curtain is known as the world of Assiyah, meaning "completed action"; the world which we are actually conscious of inhabiting. In this world man is a Nefesh, a life force or energizing spirit, and he also has a body.

It is here that things begin to get rather more complex. The Nefesh that is an appendage of the Ruach is as spiritual as the rest of the human soul from which it stems. It is the outermost part of man's Neshama after all. Man's body on the other hand is purely material and non-spiritual. There can be no direct union between body and spirit. Entities that are diametric opposites are unable to stick to each other on a permanent bases. The union of body and pure spirit is analogous to a union between fire and water.

The shotgun marriage between two opposites

To solve this problem, man was given a second Nefesh as well to mediate between his body and the Nefesh that is the outer aspect of his Neshama. This second Nefesh is called the Nefesh Habahamith or the animate nefesh; it is what we know as the life force.

It is this animate Nefesh that is described in the Torah as being attached to the blood. Any man of the House of Israel and of the proselyte who dwells among them who will consume any blood-I shall concentrate My attention upon the soul (Nefesh) consuming the blood, and I will cut it off from its people. For the soul (Nefesh) of the flesh is in the blood and I have assigned it for you upon the Altar to provide atonement for your souls(Nefashot-Nefesh in the plural) for it is the blood that atones for the soul (Nefesh) (Vayikra 17, 10-11)

The part of the Nefesh that is attached to the Ruach is called the Nefesh Elokhit (The Divine or Godly Nefesh). This Nefesh Elokhit is wrapped into the Nefesh Habehamith which is the life force that powers the body. It is through the mediation of the envelope of the Nefesh habehamith that the Nefesh Elokhit attaches itself to the body.

This means that man is in a state of ceaseless existential conflict in the world of Assiyah. There are two Nefashot inhabiting his body in this world and they are both intelligent. The Nefesh Habehamith is still somewhat spiritual otherwise it could never mediate between the body and the Nefesh Elokhit. At the same time, as the Nefesh Habehamith is directly attached to the physical world of the body and is the life force that energizes that body, it is drawn to do a superior job and provide the body with the ultimate sensations of physical pleasure which bequeath the body with its sense of being alive. The Nefesh Elokhit which is enveloped in this Nefesh Habahamith but is purely spiritual and connected to the Ruach in Yezirah, and through the Ruach to the Neshama and above is always attempting to pull the entire organism of man away from the body towards the Neshama.

These may be on the fringe:

The Arizal on the Torah

The letters of the divine name Havayah, the five principle partzufim, the five worlds, the five "kingdoms" or levels of life in this world, the five levels of the soul, and the five aspects of the sacrifices all correspond and are summarized in the chart…

Healing the Vessel: A Conference on Jewish Healing - June 7-8, 2003

Breathing into Wholeness - Jeffrey Kessler

The breath carries the current of life throughout our bodies, feelings and thoughts, and is a natural vehicle for the integration and healing of fragmented aspects of our being. The Hebrew language points to the primacy of breath by naming the different levels of soul with breath-words: nefesh, ruach, neshama. In this workshop we will explore and expand the range of our breathing through gentle movement, chant and meditation. Our aim will be to encourage wholeness while turning and opening to the Divine Presence.



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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your informative and excellent analysis of the subject!

The similarities between the Hebrew and Greek conclusions are astonishing to me also. I particularly note the excerpt from Timeaus:

Now, when a man abandons himself to his desires and ambitions, indulging them incontinently, all his thoughts of necessity become mortal, and as a consequence he must become mortal every bit, as far as that is possible, because he has nourished his mortal part. When on the contrary he has earnestly cultivated his love of knowledge and true wisdom, when he has primarily exercised his faculty to think immortal and divine things, he will – since in that manner he is touching the truth – become immortal of necessity, as far as it is possible for human nature to participate in immortality.

IMHO, there is a difference in attitude in that the Greeks see man being tugged by his desires and ambitions (animal nature) and having the ability to rise up through his own efforts of amassing knowledge and wisdom. The Hebrews, on the other hand, based on the above excerpts, assert that man has a duty and consequence of choice (ruach) – good v. evil, mortal v. divine - because of his origin.

I could see the Greeks thinking ‘boys will be boys” when they misbehave whereas the Hebrews would think “the boy has sinned and now must atone.”

Both see man’s essential existence in the “in-between” and both see that he can become more. Evidently, the Greek sees the ‘becoming more’ an opportunity for the self whereas the Hebrew sees it as a possible consequence of duty.

Interestingly, Christianity covers both the duty of the law (Hebrew view) and presents the ultimate divine opportunity (Greek view) - namely oneness via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Notably, the opportunity is one of divine grace and is accessible by faith. IOW - as the Messiah, Jesus Christ is at the level of Yehidah according to the above excerpts. Keeping that in mind leads to deeper understanding of these passages:

They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. – John 17:16

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. – Romans 8:14-15

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. – John 17:21-23

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Romans 8:38-39

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. – I Cor 2:11-12

Thank you oh so very much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. I treasure your posts; reading them is a learning experience and a challenge to my mind. Hugs!

81 posted on 05/11/2003 8:03:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun
Indeed. Everytime betty boop posts, I'm in a "catch-up" mode and loving every minute of it. Hugs!!!
82 posted on 05/11/2003 8:05:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Interestingly, Christianity covers both the duty of the law (Hebrew view) and presents the ultimate divine opportunity (Greek view) - namely oneness via the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Thanks so much for your kind words, Alamo-Girl. It is amazing to me that the great Greeks got as far as they did, just going by way of Reason -- that is, without the benefit of the explicit type of divine revelation that we find in the Holy Scriptures (e.g., the revelation to Moses and the revelation to man of Christ Incarnate). Also I find it fascinating that the Gospel of John in particular seems to have a very strong Greek "flavor" to it. (Thank you for your citations of John and Paul!)

It seems that Greek thought has slipped into the traditions, not only of the Jews and the Christians, but also of Islam. These Kabbalist sources you cited, A-G -- what are their dates? I said that there had been litte if any cultural contact between Hellas and Israel. What I meant was there apparently was a dearth of contact at the time that Plato and Aristotle were active. Perhaps the contact came later, however -- with Judaism, Christianity, and Islam "discovering" the Greeks long after the 5th century B.C., at the time that their Scriptures were being compiled? What do you think?

In any case, it seems to me that Christ perfected their efforts...He who came, not to abolish (e.g., the Law), but to fulfill....

83 posted on 05/11/2003 9:21:21 AM PDT by betty boop
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I could see the Greeks thinking ‘boys will be boys” when they misbehave whereas the Hebrews would think “the boy has sinned and now must atone.”

I don't think either Plato or Aristotle would say "well, just let boys be boys." Both were great moral philosophers. Plato, also a great political philosopher, especially stressed that disordered souls make for disordered society (i.e, the polis, political society). In other words, there can be no good society if it is composed of bad men. In Republic, he famously devised ways to make the "bad boys" atone -- upon conviction for crimes, they had five years to "get themselves straight." Failing that, the polis could put them to death. Of course, Plato never thought that his Republic could ever be reified -- mainly because it is inconceivable that there could ever be a political system governed by a wise and loving Philosopher-King.

Plato knew that, realistically, politics just doesn't produce that kind of outcome. For one thing, philosophers generally lack the type of ambition that could ensure political success: They are thinkers, not doers. For another thing, the "common man" tends not to value philosophers. But I'm sure Plato had a lot of fun developing his myth of the "good polis" -- in Republic, Statesman, Laws: It was a labor of love conducted over a lifetime.

84 posted on 05/11/2003 9:41:38 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your posts and for the kudos! Hugs!

What I discovered looking for an answer to your question is quite fascinating indeed:

kabbalah

kabbalah or cabala [Heb.,=reception], esoteric system of interpretation of the Scriptures based upon a tradition claimed to have been handed down orally from Abraham. Despite that claimed antiquity, the system appears to have been given its earliest formulation in the 11th cent. in France, and from there spread most notably to Spain. There were undoubtedly precedents, however; kabbalistic elements are discernible in the literature of earlier Merkavah mysticism (fl. after c.A.D. 100) inspired by the vision of the chariot-throne (“merkavah”) in the Book of Ezekiel. Beyond the specifically Jewish notions contained within the kabbalah, some scholars believe that it reflects a strong Neoplatonic influence, especially in its doctrines of emanation and the transmigration of souls (see Neoplatonism).

In the late 15th and 16th cent., Christian thinkers found support in the kabbalah for their own doctrines, out of which they developed a Christian version. Kabbalistic interpretation of Scripture was based on the belief that every word, letter, number, and even accent contained mysteries interpretable by those who knew the secret. The names for God were believed to contain miraculous power and each letter of the divine name was considered potent; kabbalistic signs and writings were used as amulets and in magical practices.

The two principal sources of the kabbalists are the Sefer Yezirah (tr. Book of Creation, 1894) and the Zohar (tr. 1949). The first develops, in a series of monologues supposedly delivered by Abraham, the doctrine of the Sefirot (the powers emanating from God, through which the world is created and its order sustained), using the primordial numbers of the later Pythagoreans in a system of numerical interpretation. It was probably written in the 3d cent. The Zohar is a mystical commentary on the Pentateuch. It was written by Moses de León (13th cent.) but attributed by him to Simon ben Yohai, the great scholar of the 2d cent. A.D.

Following the expulsion (1492) of the Jews from Spain, kabbalah became more messianic in its emphasis, as developed by the Lurianic school of mystics at Safed, Palestine. Kabbalah in this form was widely adopted and created fertile gound for the movement of the pseudo-Messiah Sabbatai Zevi. It was also a major influence in the development of Hasidism. Kabbalah still has adherents, especially among Hasidic Jews.

Now, of course, I’ll be looking for those scholarly assertions of neoplatonism!

As to the dates of compilation, the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm the antiquity and reliability of the underlying Hebrew manuscripts by dating their having been copied as far back as 300 BC. The date of the manuscripts from which they were copied remains unknown (at least to me.)

The dating of the Gospels is much disputed, especially with new manuscripts and evidence being discovered even at this late date. Some experts put them in the first century AD – others up to the mid or late second century AD.

I believe the oldest Koran is 750 AD.

In any case, it seems to me that Christ perfected their efforts...He who came, not to abolish (e.g., the Law), but to fulfill.... With regard to the existence, hierarchy and workings of the soul – the revelations of Christ as expressed by Paul and John are given with authority which is confirmed by personal experience of believers (I am one who so testifies.)

WRT to the “boys will be boys” statement, I obviously over-reached. This original discussion on the Objectivism threads had the argument of moral law from a materialist philosophy at odds with the revealed moral law from God. I do have a tendency to demean such equivalencies. Sorry about that!

85 posted on 05/11/2003 10:28:31 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
It takes forever to research Kabbalah because the teaching has been hijacked by so many branches of the New Age movement. But I have more on that neoplatonism remark from the above excerpt.

The excerpt would put the primary influence on Kabbalah from Plotinus' thought, but I’ve discovered older linkages with Plato himself. The following article strangely asserts that some believe it was Plato who was influenced and not the other way around:

Plato and Kabbalah

The influence of Greek philosophical thought, particularly that of Plato and Neoplatonism, upon the development in the Kabbalah has long been recognized. A number of Kabbalists took note of a close relationship between the Kabbalah and Platonic philosophy, and some went so far as to suggest that the Kabbalah itself was a source for Platonic and Neoplatonic ideas.

Probably the most important Platonic notion to find its way into Kabbalistic thought is the doctrine of forms or ideas. Even prior to the advent of the Kabbalah, Platonic Idealism had infiltrated Jewish speculation regarding the creation of the world. In the Midrash Genesis Rabbah, we find the declaration that God looked into the Torah and created the world, as if the language of the Torah consisted of a set of forms or templates for creation. Further, thr Hellenistic Jewish philosopher, Philo, understood an isomorphism between the laws of the Torah and the ideal (Platonic) structure of the natural world.

For Lurkers, here’s more on Philo and his thoughts. A few tidbits to put it in perspective:

To begin with, Philo united in rare measure Greek learning with Jewish enthusiasm. In his writings he very frequently uses classical modes of expression; he names not fewer than sixty-four Greek writers; and he either alludes to, or quotes frequently from, such sources as Homer, Hesiod, Pindar, Solon, the great Greek tragedians, Plato, and others. But to him these men were scarcely 'heathen.' He had sat at their feet, and learned to weave a system from Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, and the Stoics. The gatherings of these philosophers were 'holy,' and Plato was 'the great.' But holier than all was the gathering of the true Israel; and incomparably greater than any, Moses. From him had all sages learned, and with him alone was all truth to be found - not, indeed, in the letter, but under the letter, of Holy Scripture. If in Numb. xxiii. 19 we read 'God is not a man,' and in Deut. i. 31 that the Lord was 'as a man,' did it not imply, on the one hand, the revelation of absolute truth by God, and, on the other, accommodation to those who were weak?

Here, then, was the principle of a twofold interpretation of the Word of God - the literal and the allegorical. The letter of the text must be held fast; and Biblical personages and histories were real. But only narrow-minded slaves of the letter would stop here; the more so, as sometimes the literal meaning alone would be tame, even absurd; while the allegorical interpretation gave the true sense, even though it might occassionally run counter to the letter. Thus, the patriarchs represented states of the soul; and, whatever the letter might bear, Joseph represented one given to the fleshly, whom his brothers rightly hated; Simeon the soul aiming after the higher; the killing of the Egyptian by Moses, the subjugation of passion, and so on. But this allegorical interpretation - by the side of the literal (the Peshat of the Palestinians) - though only for the few, was not arbitrary. It had its 'laws,' and 'canons' - some of which excluded the literal interpretation, while others admitted it by the side of the higher meaning. …

2. Intermediary Beings. - Potencies (dun_meiv, l_goi). If, in what has preceded, we have once and again noticed a remarkable similarity between Philo and the Rabbis, there is a still more curious analogy between his teaching and that of Jewish Mysticism, as ultimately fully developed in the 'Kabbalah.' The very term Kabbalah (from qibbel, to hand down) seems to point out not only its descent by oral tradition, but also its ascent to ancient sources. Its existence is presupposed, and its leading ideas are sketched in the Mishnah. The Targums also bear at least one remarkable trace of it. May it not be, that as Philo frequently refers to ancient tradition, so both Eastern and Western Judaism may here have drawn from one and the same source - we will not venture to suggest, how high up - while each made such use of it as suited their distinctive tendencies? At any rate the Kabbalah also, likening Scripture to a person, compares those who study merely the letter, to them who attend only to the dress; those who consider the moral of a fact, to them who attend to the body; while the initiated alone, who regard the hidden meaning, are those who attend to the soul. Again, as Philo, so the oldest part of the Mishnah designates God as Maqom - 'the place' - the t_pov, the all-comprehending, what the Kabbalists called the EnSoph, 'the boundless,' that God, without any quality, Who becomes cognisable only by His manifestations. …


86 posted on 05/11/2003 11:53:49 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
With regard to the existence, hierarchy and workings of the soul – the revelations of Christ as expressed by Paul and John are given with authority which is confirmed by personal experience of believers (I am one who so testifies.)

And make me two! Thank you so much, Alamo-Girl, for the fascinating information WRT the Cabala. Neoplatonist, eh? WRT the divine emanation, Plato held that every being thing is ensouled at least to some degree, and most eminently man -- whose own nous is a participation (at least potentially) in the Mind of God. Clearly the Unknown God of the Beyond of the cosmos (akin to the unknown tetragrammatical God of the Jews and Christians) does emanate into the very essence or spirit of man. The revelation of Christ makes this explicit: "I [i.e., the God of the Presence] and My Father [i.e., the Unknown tetragrammatical God] are One." (At least, that's how I "do the math." :^) )

Thanks so much for writing, Alamo-Girl! Hugs!

87 posted on 05/11/2003 12:04:24 PM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thank you for so much for sharing with us, betty boop! I'm glad to hear the emanation thought stems from Plato (not just Plotinus.) I certainly agree with your math!

Thank you for confirming my testimony. Many times in the Scriptures, it reminds us that every word is established on the testimony of two witnesses. Mine carried no particular weight, until you agreed. Hugs!!!

88 posted on 05/11/2003 12:23:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
(I am one who so testifies.)

Include me too. It' so nice to read what kindred spirits have to say. At a couple of crucial times in my life I have experienced some things that would make the hair stand on some folks. I share them as they happen with those close to me (family, clergy, and parish friends). They happen without warning or any provocation by myself. The urgings brought on within me cannot be denied and in fact seem to require acknowledgement as well as some kind of resolve to act on my part before they subside.

Anyway out of all the things in my life I have forgotten over time these few incidents remain as fresh as the day they occurred. Thank you both for your insight and candor. It has been the most positive experience I have had on any thread on this forum during my short tenure. Double barrel hugs.

89 posted on 05/11/2003 12:38:44 PM PDT by Kudsman (LETS GET IT ON!!! The price of freedom is vigilance. Tyranny is free of charge.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I feel like I'm trying to catch up with Alice and the Queen of Hearts here!
90 posted on 05/11/2003 2:12:59 PM PDT by unspun (Fillet of Soul? Here's my soul Lord: please fill it!)
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Thank you so very much for sharing your testimony and for joining in agreement with betty boop and me!

I am thrilled you have had a positive experience on this thread. It has certainly been a pleasure for me to read all your posts.

Warm and lasting hugs back at 'ya!!!

91 posted on 05/11/2003 7:23:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for the chuckle!

I feel like I'm trying to catch up with Alice and the Queen of Hearts here!

I can see the Wonderland parallel and certainly Alice was the seeker (is she dreaming the Red King or is he dreaming her) ... but I am a bit confused as to who might fill the shoes of the Queen of Hearts. The Queen of Hearts was blindly furious, loud and brutal. She loved to order executions but always seemed to pardon them.

92 posted on 05/11/2003 7:36:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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You guys are going to have to get a room. ;)
93 posted on 05/11/2003 7:55:46 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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You guys are going to have to get a room.

These things take time.

94 posted on 05/11/2003 7:58:02 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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LOLOLOL! Thank you so much for the chuckle, 1/1,000,000th%!!!

As for you, PatrickHenry, time's up! (wink, nudge...)

95 posted on 05/11/2003 8:05:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; PatrickHenry
Say no more! ;)
96 posted on 05/11/2003 8:18:04 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; PatrickHenry
LOLOLOL!
97 posted on 05/11/2003 8:23:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Well, I guess that wasn't the Queen of Hearts, it was the Red Queen... "Faster! Faster!"

`Well, in our country,' said Alice, still panting a little, `you'd generally get to somewhere else -- if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing.'

`A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. `Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place.

If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!'

98 posted on 05/11/2003 9:10:51 PM PDT by unspun (I don't even carry a badge.)
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To: unspun
Whew! That's much better for me. I was squirming at the thought that I might remind you of the Queen of Hearts (LOL!) Thank you and lots of hugs!!!
99 posted on 05/11/2003 9:20:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Kudsman; kkindt; Aric2000; aynrandfreak; Mustang
Catching up, running twice as fast as I can... This response, chiefly to a first pass at the selected texts only.

Not surprisingly, I tend to find much of the philosophy (psychology, if you will) of the Kabala to be... displeasing to the mind, seeminly arbitrary, except where it faithfully examines the Scirptures' usage of words and concepts; also where it just doesn't seem to be helpful, functionally.  But then again, I haven't slogged through the links and their explications.  Reading some of this, I can see why the advancement of science has caused many to be skeptical at anything spiritual, since so much of the (extra-Biblical) assertions have the ring of quaint, old mumbo jumbo to modern ears.  (BTW, can I say "modern" anymore?  If not, then what is the term du jour for things du jour?  Current?  "...current ears?")  So, one finds oneself going through these writings like the "Jesus Seminar" professors have gone through the Gospels, separating what one finds believable from the rest, based upon my particular 21st Century Yankee thought.  The difference of course is that those folks discarded the reality of the Scriptures to boot.

betty boop, I did take just a really quick look at your fist post so far and I was expecting that you might find that ancient Jewish philosophy has fundamental elements in common with that of ancient Greece.  I've had a strong suspicion that those folk borrowed significantly from the wisdom collected by the ol' 12 Tribes, hungry explorers for wisdom that they were.  (It's also entertaining to see how overall, God brings the elements of cultures along as the setting for his historical revelations with mankind -- and it seems he's not through, yet with that, BTW!)  Reading some of this Kabala schtick, one can also see where some of its superstitious but tidy explanations were borrowed by those in the church, early on (some of it, despite warnings by Jesus and his apostles).

At first pass, Rabbi Noson Weisz seems to be making a-lot of apparenlty and suspiciously tidy designations, but begging for trouble in the direction of gnostic dualism.  There are elements here which seem to be controverted by New Testament Scriptures.  I despise people's drawing lines, where there are no actual demarcations (and think how much God does!).

I'm not going to go into specifics, since I've only had a "first pass" at this.  It would be interesting to hear more about the sources and how these sources learned from their sources and so on...  I'll hope to read more of the posts and even look further into this.

For the moment, four main, personal responses:
1. Thank God we don't really have to know such details
2. Scriptural context, spiritual insight of the Holy Spirit, "common sense," and the practical utility of it all, should be a good tests of veracity.  (But look at even those four "factors" and how they intermingle!)
3. There is much in modern (current? - here again, I'm not sure how people are "allowed" to use the word "modern" anymore ;-) psychology that I tend to trust more than much of this, especially the "quaint" and "tidy" labels and explanations.
4. Thank God for what we do have, authoritatively from Him, in which to trust.
But... don't get me wrong; there are some insights here! Grounds and growth if you will, for practicing the skills involved in the vocational curse of Adam, i.e., cultivation of what is fruitful and weeding out what isn't.  

And now, I trust I will go back to sleep.  ;-)

100 posted on 05/12/2003 2:45:16 AM PDT by unspun (To all who go down to the sea in ships....)
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